New split ep

roncadillac

roncadillac

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We recently released a split ep with our friends Wounded Shadow. It's only four songs and about seventeen minutes. This was a fun low key chill recording process and we tried to capture an old spooky raw sound. I play drums on our track 3 (Ghost Of A Good Time) which is an original song about the current state of the Daytona Beach FL area and on track 4 (Some Velvet Morning) which is a cover of a classic song by Lee Hazelwood and Nancy Sinatra. Cheers!

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JOYLAND, by Wounded Shadow // Harum Scarum

4 track album
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that is a great feel and sound for what the song is about!!! Love it that you can actually hear the hi hat i nthe recording as well! I can't tell it is whether my ears are going bad, or that people just don't get the hi hat up in the mix as much as they used to, but it is usually hard to hear in mixes anymore....
 
Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX said:
that is a great feel and sound for what the song is about!!! Love it that you can actually hear the hi hat i nthe recording as well! I can't tell it is whether my ears are going bad, or that people just don't get the hi hat up in the mix as much as they used to, but it is usually hard to hear in mixes anymore....
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Thank you for the kind words! The set of hats I used to record that consist of a Paiste 12" 900 series splash over a Paiste 12" pstx djs45 bottom hi hat. It's a diy set I've been using for the last year or so. The ride is a Paiste 20" PST 7 heavy ride with a ton of tape on the bottom.

The rest of the kit is a 14" cheap Mapex steel piccolo and a 20" Ludwig signet bass drum with an emad, a huge reso port, and a big fluffy beater.
 
roncadillac said:
Thank you for the kind words! The set of hats I used to record that consist of a Paiste 12" 900 series splash over a Paiste 12" pstx djs45 bottom hi hat. It's a diy set I've been using for the last year or so. The ride is a Paiste 20" PST 7 heavy ride with a ton of tape on the bottom.

The rest of the kit is a 14" cheap Mapex steel piccolo and a 20" Ludwig signet bass drum with an emad, a huge reso port, and a big fluffy beater.
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woah!!!! They sound MUCH bigger than that!!!!
 
Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX said:
woah!!!! They sound MUCH bigger than that!!!!
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The bottom cymbal is super heavy and the top cymbal is paper thin, that combined with the smaller diameter gives a very interesting sound. I love playing them wide open because they never wash out a mix live. Played closed they can admittedly be a little quiet for outdoor gigs but it's fine, they sound great!
 
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Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX said:
that is a great feel and sound for what the song is about!!! Love it that you can actually hear the hi hat i nthe recording as well! I can't tell it is whether my ears are going bad, or that people just don't get the hi hat up in the mix as much as they used to, but it is usually hard to hear in mixes anymore....
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No, your hearing is fine, it has become a norm now to place hats and ride cymbals very low on the mix of most modern recordings which is pretty annoying to me.
Why must you copy every other producer? why must something just become the "industry standard"?
Just because it worked well for one album doesn't mean it is a one size fits all.
People need to stop copying each others presets and have an identity and make your own.
Do you think for example the White Stripes would be the same (had the same perceived intensity) if Megan's drums were quantized? No, the intensity was the reflection of Megan actually speeding up as the song got more exciting and even though I am not a WS fan I appreciate that they kept her drum playing natural.

We discussed using the wrong samples for the wrong music before (Metallica black album snare for Hotel California) but modern music of all genres is sounding like they all come from the same studio with the same producer using the same samples.
This is when thinking outside the box can be applied literally.

Hats are now commonly recorder using 4 mics one on top, one below plus overheads maybe more if you have room mics.
Now how much out of each mic is left after all the compression and effects are applied is a very different thing.
Your room also affects your sound. We practiced at a friends house, were all the 3 rooms upstairs were empty, as in no furniture,
the rooms acted like a giant speaker and my drums literally sounded like the Metallica's black album drums , combine that with my friend's full size Peavey rig (100 watt amp head and a 6 10 inch speaker cab) and playing Sad But True sounded almost identical to the album with no mics or effects added.
Sadly that didn't last long because the neighbors would call the police to shut us down and we had to quit. (may they rot in hell).
 
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No, your hearing is fine, it has become a norm now to place hats and ride cymbals very low on the mix of most modern recordings which is pretty annoying to me.
Why must you copy every other producer? why must something just become the "industry standard"?
Just because it worked well for one album doesn't mean it is a one size fits all.
People need to stop copying each others presets and have an identity and make your own.
Do you think for example the White Stripes would be the same (had the same perceived intensity) if Megan's drums were quantized? No, the intensity was the reflection of Megan actually speeding up as the song got more exciting and even though I am not a WS fan I appreciate that they kept her drum playing natural.

We discussed using the wrong samples for the wrong music before (Metallica black album snare for Hotel California) but modern music of all genres is sounding like they all come from the same studio with the same producer using the same samples.
This is when thinking outside the box can be applied literally.

Hats are now commonly recorder using 4 mics one on top, one below plus overheads maybe more if you have room mics.
Now how much out of each mic is left after all the compression and effects are applied is a very different thing.
Your room also affects your sound. We practiced at a friends house, were all the 3 rooms upstairs were empty, as in no furniture,
the rooms acted like a giant speaker and my drums literally sounded like the Metallica's black album drums , combine that with my friend's full size Peavey rig (100 watt amp head and a 6 10 inch speaker cab) and playing Sad But True sounded almost identical to the album with no mics or effects added.
Sadly that didn't last long because the neighbors would call the police to shut us down and we had to quit. (may they rot in hell).
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Damn, you just took us on a journey. Also, I agree. About the recording and empty rooms. And the neighbors. And their hopeful rotting in hell because I'm on board with that too.
 
doggyd69b said:
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No, your hearing is fine, it has become a norm now to place hats and ride cymbals very low on the mix of most modern recordings which is pretty annoying to me.
Why must you copy every other producer? why must something just become the "industry standard"?
Just because it worked well for one album doesn't mean it is a one size fits all.
People need to stop copying each others presets and have an identity and make your own.
Do you think for example the White Stripes would be the same (had the same perceived intensity) if Megan's drums were quantized? No, the intensity was the reflection of Megan actually speeding up as the song got more exciting and even though I am not a WS fan I appreciate that they kept her drum playing natural.

We discussed using the wrong samples for the wrong music before (Metallica black album snare for Hotel California) but modern music of all genres is sounding like they all come from the same studio with the same producer using the same samples.
This is when thinking outside the box can be applied literally.

Hats are now commonly recorder using 4 mics one on top, one below plus overheads maybe more if you have room mics.
Now how much out of each mic is left after all the compression and effects are applied is a very different thing.
Your room also affects your sound. We practiced at a friends house, were all the 3 rooms upstairs were empty, as in no furniture,
the rooms acted like a giant speaker and my drums literally sounded like the Metallica's black album drums , combine that with my friend's full size Peavey rig (100 watt amp head and a 6 10 inch speaker cab) and playing Sad But True sounded almost identical to the album with no mics or effects added.
Sadly that didn't last long because the neighbors would call the police to shut us down and we had to quit. (may they rot in hell).
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well, homogenized makes lots of money unfortunately....

and I also think musicians go into recording sessions with so much "preprogrammed" ideas of how things should sound....

I also wonder, in certain genres, if there are too many things in the same frequency range, and hi hats fall to the bottom of the importance level? Like in modern non mainstream metal albums there are A LOT of things in the 1k to 5k range, and things are "fighting for space"....the guitars are always going to win that battle

but glad to hear that it isn't just my self induced hearing damage!!
 
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