Well my new Ludwig Clubdate Downbeat shell pack surprised me and the dealer today. We were expecting them to arrive late in June, but they showed up today. Turns out they were born on May 17th. I'm a happy camper. I was busy today so I only got to unbox them and play a few notes on each drum. Tomorrow I'll get them set up and play with them some. I played the 8X12 in the store and it sounded great right out of the box. I opened the others at home. The 14X14 sounded very ringy with that ambassador batter on it. I played a few notes with the butt end of a stick on the 14X20 and it sounded great. I can't wait to actually play them. I also bought a bass drum rail mount, but will hold off on putting it on for a while. I'll post better pics at a latter date. My wife thinks they're ugly. I think they look very cool. That's Matt the Ludwig dealer and I in the pic. I'm the short bald guy lol.