I had a chance to set up the new Ludwigs and take some pics. Right now I'm using the rack tom on a snare stand. I found if I didn't tighten the basket to the drum, it doesn't kill the drum as much. It's not positioned where I normally have it so it seems awkward right now. I have a suspended tom holder and clamp assembly that came with the kit, but I would need to use a heavy cym. stand to hold it. I'm planning on using the DW 6000 light weight stands, so I might just use the snare stand, I don't want to mount the rail on the kick too hastily either. So for now it's on the snare stand. The kit came with a Remo Dyamo port ring which is a real thoughtful addition, but it has a 5 1/4 hole in it. That's quite big for a 20" head, I think. I normally only make a port large enough for a Beta 52. The hoop depth is deeper than my other drum, so the pedals felt odd. The Fl. tom rings forever, like my BCAN yamaha 14" drum that I had a while back. I ended up putting 2 ply heads on top and bottom of that one. I'm sure I'll put a 2 ply on the top of this one latter. They are tuned pretty low and sound pretty good. All in all I'm quite happy with them. I still haven't really looked them over inside and out for any flaws, or defects.