Neil Peart

Mart61

Silver Member
Neil Peart inspired me to begin playing. Greatest drummer in the world? I've no idea. He's better than me, that much I do know.

Better? Best? Worse? Worst? These are all subjective words in this and many other contexts. Ask 100 people and you'd most likely get 100 different answers.

I like the way he plays and, in my book, that's all that matters.

:D
 
Back from the MGM grand. I complained about Rush being too quiet when I saw them in 2010, got what was coming to me. Second loudest concert I've ever seen. Here's my review as an amateur drummer...

Neil looked tired but was firing on all cylinders. Others have said maybe he should get some sleep instead of riding his motorcycle to the show. Hard to tell but I'd guess he was playing maybe 10% more reserved, hitting not quite as hard as I've seen him hit. Flawless performance. Subdivisions never gets old and the 7/4 to 4/4 transition gets me every time. Solos sounded a bit tired and recycled but that's not what I came to see. Jacob's Ladder had one of the most mind bending displays of drumming I've ever seen. A treat to hear two different kits made from the same tree. The oak bass drum was as expected, punchy but not overpowering. High toms took some getting used to, more of a woody sound than the maple I am used to. Even the 8 inch tom on the R40 kit had a lower pitch, he had to use concert toms to get his classic high pitched tom sound on the replica double bass kit. Snare had a nice crack but couldn't cut through Alex's guitar on either kit. The replica double bass kit had a higher snare tuning. Low toms had mind blowing low end though no definition, each hit or roll was just a wall of bass. Paragons sounded great. 5th time I've seen Rush, possibly the last time I'll get to see the master. To quote Geddy, "I'll never forget it."

 

Drumlove65

Senior Member
Back from the MGM grand. I complained about Rush being too quiet when I saw them in 2010, got what was coming to me. Second loudest concert I've ever seen. Here's my review as an amateur drummer...

Neil looked tired but was firing on all cylinders. Others have said maybe he should get some sleep instead of riding his motorcycle to the show. Hard to tell but I'd guess he was playing maybe 10% more reserved, hitting not quite as hard as I've seen him hit. Flawless performance. Subdivisions never gets old and the 7/4 to 4/4 transition gets me every time. Solos sounded a bit tired and recycled but that's not what I came to see. Jacob's Ladder had one of the most mind bending displays of drumming I've ever seen. A treat to hear two different kits made from the same tree. The oak bass drum was as expected, punchy but not overpowering. High toms took some getting used to, more of a woody sound than the maple I am used to. Even the 8 inch tom on the R40 kit had a lower pitch, he had to use concert toms to get his classic high pitched tom sound on the replica double bass kit. Snare had a nice crack but couldn't cut through Alex's guitar on either kit. The replica double bass kit had a higher snare tuning. Low toms had mind blowing low end though no definition, each hit or roll was just a wall of bass. Paragons sounded great. 5th time I've seen Rush, possibly the last time I'll get to see the master. To quote Geddy, "I'll never forget it."


I don't like the sound of his DW kit. The toms sound "thumpy" not like his '80's Tama kit. Those albums from Permanent Waves through to whenever he switched to his Luddy kit cannot be beat.
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I don't like the sound of his DW kit. The toms sound "thumpy" not like his '80's Tama kit. Those albums from Permanent Waves through to whenever he switched to his Luddy kit cannot be beat.
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Have you heard the oak DWs? Different animal. My all around favorite was the maple Time Machine kit as far as tone. Permanent Waves was just a great record, Spirit of Radio guitar tone, man.
 

Drumlove65

Senior Member
Have you heard the oak DWs? Different animal. My all around favorite was the maple Time Machine kit as far as tone. Permanent Waves was just a great record, Spirit of Radio guitar tone, man.
My humble opinion is generally that DW is over priced and over rated. I realize experienced recording or session drummers switch around from one manufacturer to another probably more for "what can you give me" than tonal preferences but Peart's Tama kit on those albums between his Slingerland and his Ludwig kits sound richer, more resonant than any other kit he has endorsed. I think Tama has lagged since the 80's it's a shame.
 

Super Phil

Senior Member
Back when Neil switched from Tama to Ludwig he did side by side testing of sets from maybe 5 major manufacturers. He just liked the sound of the Ludwigs a touch more than the others at that point. So for him, at that point, it was all about tone...as opposed to who could give him the most stuff. I haven't read why he ended up with DW, but I imagine it's the same reason....he likes how they sound.
FWIW, I am a huge fan of those SuperStars myself.

One interesting thing I remember reading was about him going from Zildjian to Sabian. He had been playing Zildjian for over 2O years, and ended up jamming on a kit that had Sabians...and he said the Sabians blew away the Zildjians. I've noticed the opposite myself. I've been playing Zildjians forever....ended up jamming on a kit with Sabians a few times....and thought they sounded like crap compared to the Zildjians, lol! Oh well, Neil will always be my favorite drummer, but that doesn't mean we have to agree on all the gear.
 

bud7h4

Silver Member
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One interesting thing I remember reading was about him going from Zildjian to Sabian. He had been playing Zildjian for over 2O years, and ended up jamming on a kit that had Sabians...and he said the Sabians blew away the Zildjians. I've noticed the opposite myself. I've been playing Zildjians forever....ended up jamming on a kit with Sabians a few times....and thought they sounded like crap compared to the Zildjians, lol! Oh well, Neil will always be my favorite drummer, but that doesn't mean we have to agree on all the gear.

When it comes to the opinions of long time veterans (musicians, car guys, whatever) I always consider that in many cases they have heard the same sounding gear for decades and sometimes are turned on to something new just because it's fresh to them. So what may blow them away will often sound awful to me because I still prefer those awesome sounding cymbals that they are sick and tired of hearing.
 
My humble opinion is generally that DW is over priced and over rated.
I feel the same way, I'm a Yamaha fan until the day I die, but the Time Machine kit, those were some good sounding drums live. I've never been a huge DW fan but every DW kit I've ever heard Neil play, 3 now, has fit him perfectly.

Always wondered what Neil would sound like on a set of Oak Customs and the R40 kit sounded pretty close.

Neil's endorsement is huge to DW, it's all one big money grab. Rush made a million dollars a show and he's still selling Tshirts. corporate America.
 

supermac

Senior Member
I was thinking about the subject of Neil's gear myself just recently and, as a long-time fan, personally prefer the sound of his early-80s Tamas/Zildjians to any other set up he's used before or since.

I saw Rush twice at Stafford Bingley Hall in England in late-1981 during the band's creative high of the Moving Pictures/Exit Stage Left tour and the sound of Neil's wooden Tamas - and his playing - was incredible.

The sound of the kit on the last album, Clockwork Angels, was - for me anyway - muddy and mixed too low.
 

drummer-russ

Gold Member
I have seen Rush numerous times starting in the mid 70s. I am a big fan of the band and Neil. I saw them this year and for the first time I felt Neil was showing his age. Still amazing mind you. He hits hard and the things he plays with the level of precision require, as one would expect, a lot of practice. It sounds as though it is just a painful thing for him. I hope he continues to perform in a much more limited capacity but I understand if he doesn't. I am thankful I got to see him so may times.
 

Muckster

Platinum Member
One interesting thing I remember reading was about him going from Zildjian to Sabian. He had been playing Zildjian for over 2O years, and ended up jamming on a kit that had Sabians...and he said the Sabians blew away the Zildjians. I've noticed the opposite myself. I've been playing Zildjians forever....ended up jamming on a kit with Sabians a few times....and thought they sounded like crap compared to the Zildjians, lol! Oh well, Neil will always be my favorite drummer, but that doesn't mean we have to agree on all the gear.
The way Lennie Dimuzzio was treated by Zildjian after the passing of Armand had a lot to do with that decision as well. Sabian welcomed Lennie with open arms and Neil went with him.
 

DrumEatDrum

Platinum Member
The way Lennie Dimuzzio was treated by Zildjian after the passing of Armand had a lot to do with that decision as well. Sabian welcomed Lennie with open arms and Neil went with him.
After the passing of Armand, and Lennie Dimuzzio going from Zildjian to Sabian is the reason many Zildjian endorsers stopped endorsing Zildjian.

Many followed Lennie to Sabian.
 
Nice! I had not seen this video lol!
I laughed hard, only because it must have been made by a true Rush fan.

Sabian welcomed Lennie with open arms and Neil went with him.
Paragons sound awful to the naked ear, nothing like on their studio albums. not like A Customs sound much better which is the closest Zildjian equivalent I can think of.

to Sabian's credit the Paragons sounded great on Snakes and Arrows with some tweaking in the studio.
 

supermac

Senior Member
I'm a couple of chapters into Neil's newly-released book.

Like his drumming and his song lyrics, it's so well-crafted.

There's been some debate about Las Vegas residencies, one-off shows etc.

But one thing that comes across with crystal clarity? He's not coming back.

Thanks for 35 years of inspiration, Neil.
 

BenjaminCamelot

Senior Member
I myself am a huge Neil Peart fan but I've noticed how the quality of his drums are sounding not so good. I don't hate DW Drums but I think Neil should really do what he did back then and not use the stock heads on his drums. If he got like a Roll the Bones or Moving Pictures sound on his drums that would be good but I think it's because he stopped using the Slingerland snare. Ever since the Snakes and Arrows DVD the drums sound horribly tuned to me. The snare on the R30 DVD and album sounds godly compared to what it is now. But Neil really should go back to not using the stock heads. But his tech I think has said that his drums are like rarely tuned so that's why they probably sound awful. Neil is still a good drummer but it's just the EQ and what not is really awful.
 
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