Need Advice on cymbals

Hi everyone, I am new to drumming and don't exactly know what different kinds of cymbals I should have. I am interested in playing anything from alternative to heavy metal like slayer, LoG, etc. So, my question is how many different cymbals would be deemed appropriate for this style of music?
How many crashes (sizes), splashes (sizes), etc?
I know for sure that I will be buying a Zildjian oreintal china but I think I would need at least two in different sizes correct?
 

beatdat

Senior Member
As a new drummer, I don’t recommend you start with anything more than a 4-piece kit, plus hi-hats, ride and a crash, regardless of what styles you want to learn.

Save the extra bells and whistles for when you’re ready for them. They’re too much for now, and usually lead newer drummers to end up compensating for shortcomings rather than tackle them head on.

You have to learn how to crawl and walk before you can run.
 

Peedy

Senior Member
Only thing I’d add is get quality if you can afford it. Zildjian A or Sabian AA or similar would be ideal to start. Oddly, I would say my cymbals are more important to me than my drums.
 
Only thing I’d add is get quality if you can afford it. Zildjian A or Sabian AA or similar would be ideal to start. Oddly, I would say my cymbals are more important to me than my drums.
What is the difference between the A or AA and all that? Im thinking of getting a new crash and ride and over the months a 14 or 18 china. I got the pearl roadshow kit, the drums are good but I hear the cymbals are horrible.
 

Mustion

Senior Member
What is the difference between the A or AA and all that? Im thinking of getting a new crash and ride and over the months a 14 or 18 china. I got the pearl roadshow kit, the drums are good but I hear the cymbals are horrible.
Zildjian A are the analog to Sabian AA and vice versa; different brands, similar concept. Solid all-rounder cymbals, good for pretty much any genre. Buy used if you can.
 

KamaK

Platinum Member
Hi everyone, I am new to drumming and don't exactly know what different kinds of cymbals I should have. I am interested in playing anything from alternative to heavy metal like slayer, LoG, etc. So, my question is how many different cymbals would be deemed appropriate for this style of music?
How many crashes (sizes), splashes (sizes), etc?
I know for sure that I will be buying a Zildjian oreintal china but I think I would need at least two in different sizes correct?
For hard rock and metal...
You will want hats, a ride with a working bell, a functional crash, and an accent cymbal (china, efx, etc) on your right.

For dense music with screaming vocals and wailing guitars, grab Zildjian A's or Sabian AA's.... Or whatever your local cymbal manufacturers make that is comparable.

For sparse arrangements (think of the band Clutch) where you need to fill in a bit more spectrum, consider Zildjian K's or Sabian HHX.
 

Peedy

Senior Member
What kind of money were you thinking of laying out for cymbals? Thinking new from a store, used but current models or used vintage?

A great place to start is to ask your drum teacher (you should have or get one) to bring in a few so you can hear the difference between starter, mid-range and pro stuff. Also, what country are you in? That's important when it comes to price and availability.

Pete
 

PorkPieGuy

Platinum Member
I'd look into the Sabian AA line. While I have owned and still own Zildjian A cymbals, I find them quite more inconsistent, and I always advice to "try before you buy" if you can. Great Ziljians sound absolutely fantastic. Others don't...even though they look exactly the same.

What do you "need?" I'd start with hats, ride, 2 crashes. After this, you can look at splashes, bells, etc. However, you need to be able to play long enough to determine what you need for the music you are playing. Best of luck!
 

harryconway

Platinum Member
First off ..... what's your budget? If you're buying just one or two cymbals at a time, your hi-hat and ride get the most use, so I'd put your money into those first. And then build from there. Get a good crash. If you really, really, really want a china, go for it. Being happy makes you want to play your kit, and more time behind the kit ..... usually is a good thing. Here's a video of 9 different drummers playing to one Night Verses song. Some have a boat load of cymbals ..... some have relatively few. Another thing you might consider, if you're buying cymbals one at a time. Once you replace your "marginal" sounding hi-hats, you might find your hi-hat bottom or top might make a good effects cymbal on it's own. Maybe as a china substitute.
 
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cbphoto

Gold Member
No Paiste fanbois here? Nothing cuts the din of metal guitars better than Paiste 2002s. And if you wanna look good, add some color!
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jmdaire27

New member
Recycling thread & it may be long but I am new to the forum: I am looking to upgrade [my "cymbal base set"] from a set of Xs20s (14 hats, 16 & 18 med crashes, 20 med ride). I can peruse the interwebs, but figured I would ask the right community. I don't have easy access to a music store (closest with cymbals is probably >3 hours).

quick background: started drumming ~13 years ago on a Roland kit in my apartment; sold that ~5 years ago and bought a Mapex Meridian Maple and the Xs20 set listed above. I play for two local bands (shows maybe once/twice a month, practice weekly): a trashy, fast punk band and an eclectic band with some hard rock/alt rock/pop/indie flavors, although I generally lean to playing a little 'harder.' I like thin 7A sticks. Influences from Lars to Morgan Rose to Dave Turncrantz. Recently got a good job so I am looking to invest!

Q: When upgrading cymbals, where do you recommend starting the process (i.e. hats first->ride->crash, or "get you a good ride first", etc.)? I may be able to upgrade a piece once every one to three months.

Recommendation: I am leaning towards acquiring cymbals that I can use in all dynamics that I play; a good ride with good ride-crashability (I am thinking something like a Sweet Ride; I am not that jazzy so I just need some ping that will cut through some verses, bell for accents), and versatile hats with good closed-to-open characteristics/dynamics. For crashes, I like a faster crash above my hats that still has some cut, and if the ride can cover the necessary longer sustained crashes, a little louder crash that still decays pretty quick above the floor tom.

Maybe something like: Zildjian 21" A Sweet Ride, 16/17" A fast crash, 18/19" med-thin A crash, 14" A Mastersounds.

I am a little ADD, and although I am not loyal to one brand, I like the clean look of having a set of uniform brand logos across the "plan view." So I am looking to be sold to a company, although likely Sabian or Zildjian due to their accessibility of used equipment. Around ~200 (+/- 50) for a ride or hats would be good.

TLDR: I know it's a lot and very specific, but I appreciate your time! Thanks!
 

beatdat

Senior Member
When upgrading cymbals, where do you recommend starting the process (i.e. hats first->ride->crash, or "get you a good ride first", etc.)? I may be able to upgrade a piece once every one to three months.
If you’re looking to buy cymbals one at a time, I’d start with the ride - to me, it’s your signature cymbal, much like a snare is to your kit.

However, because you don’t have a music store close by, you may want to consider saving up your money and buy a “cymbal pack” from one of the major brands, which tend to be sound matched at the factory. Moreover, you may want to consider Paiste cymbals if you’re buying online, as there cymbals are much more consistent in sound within each model.
 

cbphoto

Gold Member
When upgrading cymbals, where do you recommend starting the process (i.e. hats first->ride->crash, or "get you a good ride first", etc.)?
Excellent question!

The hats are used the most, then crash, then ride. But finding a ride cymbal that you connect with, that sounds and feels perfect to you, is a long journey for most people. So, to get sounds established in your head, I’d start with a crash cymbal first ‘cuz it will reveal the sonics of that make & model. Then listen to hats, then ride.

That said, everyone has their favorite sounds. We’re all unique individuals, with unique tastes and cymbals reflect that (weirdly).

Zildjian: they became The Standard in the 1960s. New Beat hi-hats are still excellent sounding and fit a huge genre of music. They have models that are designed for certain genres, but that’s only to give you an idea of how they developed the cymbal’s sound (i.e., jazz, rock, punk, etc.)

Sabian: Some time ago, the Zildjian family had a spat and one of the Zildjian daughter went off to Canada and started Sabian. Their tins are killer.

Paiste: with Led Zepellin they became a household name for a lot of guys. They now make as many models as the next guy. One significant difference: they make their premium “Signature” series from sheets, and this means near-identical sound from cymbal to cymbal when comparing the same size & model. The sound files on their site are very, very close to what you’ll get if you buy/use one.

Meinl: Relatively new to the mass-market but make great cymbals.

Some guys buy cymbal packages, which saves money, but you might end up with a sound that you’re “just okay” with. Some people have had great success with packs.

Enjoy the journey!

 
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