My Music City Custom Snare Verdict

s1212z

Well-known member
Try this analogy on for size: You're introducing someone to your wife, and he knows you're happy in marriage. His response, however, is "Man, you got a questionable deal here. I hope you didn't spend too much while dating her, because you could have done a lot better." Belligerent would be the only way to label such statements. They serve no purpose beyond instigating strife.

To be fair, I said all this before you bought the drum on your opinion thread and you were fine with all the factors as stated above...you married her anyways, lol. I only brought it up again because I wasn't certain on the shell source and your pictures on this thread confirmed some questions.

I love Pearl, and I love my new Music City Custom snare. If I could turn back the calendar a few days, I'd order the same drum again.

As expected, wouldn't expect anything less (y)

My upcoming review will bolster that claim.

Look forward to it

:)
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
Single-swivel lugs don't seem to be terribly common, but Pearl also offers them on its Masterworks series. Whether they're worse than or better than other lugs is, like everything else related to drums and drumming, a topic of great dissension. On my drum, each lug is secured by two screws, an enhanced assurance of stability. I love their look and find no fault with them thus far.
I'm not sure I understand. Do they swivel outward or something?
 

Artstar

Platinum Member
I'm not sure I understand. Do they swivel outward or something?

"With less direct shell contact than any other Pearl lug, our lightest lug features a pivoting brass tension casing that guarantees even tuning and reduced resistance to shell vibration."

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wildbill

Platinum Member
1) N&C has a custom brass throw off, Craviotto has a really nice throw-off as well. Some else stated the PMC is a $30 throw off and quite frankly, that looks about right. If it functions, great but we are talking $1k here to be spoiled with best possible.

2) Tube lugs make sense to me here. When you have them them split, you put tension on edge as opposed to a tube lug design that distributes this tension off the shell. Plus it's a lot less hardware attached to the shell compared to individual lugs. Whether the tension theory has a sonic difference is arguable (but puts less tension on a shell like an SS which makes sense for longevity or stressing in moisture conditions). Certainly less hardware on shell has a sonic effect

3) 100% brass lugs are are more costly but I'm an absolute proponent and make more sense from a sonic perspective as a so called "resonating alloy". Plus they have their 'nodal point' mounting which makes sense to me as well. These are the appointments I want on a high-end drum. I believe Craviotto's are brass as well (just plated)

4) N&C makes all their re-enforcement rings to match the species of the wood shell. I prefer this both conceptually and aesthetically; especially when isolating for so called 'sonic purity' here. The other side of the argument is that historically, un-matched rings happened all the time and Craviotto does the same. But I have no doubt this is more costly and labor intensive on N&C opposed to having a line of maple rings ready for mass production. Does this actually have a sonic influence....I've asked this before and remains a mystery. But I believe enough small details add up to a major detail.

5) Oil finishes are usually cheaper, Pearl could have cut a bit here just on this alone. I happen to prefer oil and their inlays are nice so this is really minor and a choice.

6) And finally, we know N&C and Craviotto are making their shells in-house; they are responsible from point A to Z in the process, US made guaranteed. I don't know where PMC shell is coming from but all signs point to Taiwan. N&C are not paying a worker overseas a fraction of labor cost, sticking the customer a US/Japan/German price and then putting a big US flag as a campaign trickery punchline to justify a boutique price. If you don't read between the lines, you may think this is 100% US made (it's just assembled). I have nothing against Taiwan, they make many great drums as well but we know it's cheaper....I'm sorry but I find this a bit sleazy. Again, they are great sounding drums (at least on video) but if they are saving significant overhead then unfair to stick it on the customer here....just drop the price to make it fair.



Thank you, but I have no issue if someone opposing views on my gear choices. I've learned alot reading on boards just to hear what people play, what they like, what they don't like. In the end, it's a personal thing so it's only a discussion in the end and never right or wrong. I honestly never thought this would rain on the parade, CMJ seems beyond overjoyed with a great drum to play that it would be impossible but if by some slim chance you enjoy your drum less due to this discussion, my apologies.

You make some valid points. But Pearl isn't the only one doing things similar to your point #6.
 

s1212z

Well-known member
You make some valid points. But Pearl isn't the only one doing things similar to your point #6.
Are they solid shells? I know you can buy a raw solid shell and finish it your self…seems to be suppliers in US and Europe and then sell it off. But these are small shops, not Pearl size. I don’t claim to be an expert or builder, just what I’m seeing. And I see many will use a select craftsman for their expertise in certain materials. But top of my head for solid shells for in-house shells I believe (please correct me if wrong):

N&C
Craviotto
A&F
DW (PureTimber LLC)
Tama
Longo
Gretsch
Tree House
Unix
Doc Sweeney
Woodland Perc
Summit
Antonio

Not sure on Dunnett. I believe Canopus partnered with master craftsmen at Antonio drums in Italy for their solids (soft maple) but do others in-house I believe…they may go to select builders for certain things. Ford drums, not sure. They are many more, I don’t know them all. I made a mistake on N&C only doing same species rings, it appears they do both (maple or same). I will credit Pearl that at least they said they have a single source builder, I feel that is important. I see Johnny Craviotto built snares (by him) have gone up in value since his passing, not sure if this reasonable or not but I guess these things are bound to happen. But something to be said about experience IMO.
 

C.M. Jones

Well-known member
Too much semantics.
That's a real purty drum you dun got yerself there Mr. Jones! I hope it brings you all the joy you could ask and then some.
Thanks so much, man. And yeah, the "semantics" are mostly rubbish to me. In my mind, this drum is about heritage and symbolism, not factory specs. Its sound is of central importance, of course, but it has allegorical implications that supersede the tedium of market forces. I'll be taking this shell to the afterlife if I can find a way to sneak it in.
 

dwsabianguy

Senior Member
(please correct me if wrong):

Gretsch

I would be very surprised if Gretsch made their solid shells in house. Everything else made in SC has Keller shells. And I have seen one or two Gretsch snares with Craviotto shells...

I'd also be surprised if Ronn Dunnett was putting his name on shells he wasn't making in-house. He's got the George Way name for drums that are made under his supervision, but with shells not actually made by him (and whatever employees he has).
 

NouveauCliche

Senior Member
1) N&C has a custom brass throw off, Craviotto has a really nice throw-off as well. Some else stated the PMC is a $30 throw off and quite frankly, that looks about right. If it functions, great but we are talking $1k here to be spoiled with best possible.

2) Tube lugs make sense to me here. When you have them them split, you put tension on edge as opposed to a tube lug design that distributes this tension off the shell. Plus it's a lot less hardware attached to the shell compared to individual lugs. Whether the tension theory has a sonic difference is arguable (but puts less tension on a shell like an SS which makes sense for longevity or stressing in moisture conditions). Certainly less hardware on shell has a sonic effect

3) 100% brass lugs are are more costly but I'm an absolute proponent and make more sense from a sonic perspective as a so called "resonating alloy". Plus they have their 'nodal point' mounting which makes sense to me as well. These are the appointments I want on a high-end drum. I believe Craviotto's are brass as well (just plated)

4) N&C makes all their re-enforcement rings to match the species of the wood shell. I prefer this both conceptually and aesthetically; especially when isolating for so called 'sonic purity' here. The other side of the argument is that historically, un-matched rings happened all the time and Craviotto does the same. But I have no doubt this is more costly and labor intensive on N&C opposed to having a line of maple rings ready for mass production. Does this actually have a sonic influence....I've asked this before and remains a mystery. But I believe enough small details add up to a major detail.

5) Oil finishes are usually cheaper, Pearl could have cut a bit here just on this alone. I happen to prefer oil and their inlays are nice so this is really minor and a choice.

6) And finally, we know N&C and Craviotto are making their shells in-house; they are responsible from point A to Z in the process, US made guaranteed. I don't know where PMC shell is coming from but all signs point to Taiwan. N&C are not paying a worker overseas a fraction of labor cost, sticking the customer a US/Japan/German price and then putting a big US flag as a campaign trickery punchline to justify a boutique price. If you don't read between the lines, you may think this is 100% US made (it's just assembled). I have nothing against Taiwan, they make many great drums as well but we know it's cheaper....I'm sorry but I find this a bit sleazy. Again, they are great sounding drums (at least on video) but if they are saving significant overhead then unfair to stick it on the customer here....just drop the price to make it fair.



Thank you, but I have no issue if someone opposing views on my gear choices. I've learned alot reading on boards just to hear what people play, what they like, what they don't like. In the end, it's a personal thing so it's only a discussion in the end and never right or wrong. I honestly never thought this would rain on the parade, CMJ seems beyond overjoyed with a great drum to play that it would be impossible but if by some slim chance you enjoy your drum less due to this discussion, my apologies.

I actually that N&C makes literally some of the best snares that exist. I'm obviously hardcore Gretsch but even I have the "One Headlight" N&C snare.

However - none of that matters all because this is CM's thread about his new snare and I don't find comparing it to other snares, etc. particularly tasteful or useful.
 

C.M. Jones

Well-known member
Congrats!!! Beautiful snare!!
Thanks, Freddy. I also appreciate the comment you made in my initial thread on this snare. You explained that you've read a lot of my posts in this forum and that, based upon my preferred snare characteristics, you thought walnut would be the better choice for me. As it turns out, you were right.
 
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