Aboulger116
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It's interesting, not my least favorite finish ever. They look more appealing in the up close pictures Ludwig has posted. I like it better than the skyline blue finish.
Ludwig NEUSONIC FAB DIGITAL BLACK OYSTER SE
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Buffalo_Drummer
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I thought you did own a Neusonics kit? I remember asking about the spurs on these, they look pretty cheap.Me too. I loved these drums since they first appeared in 2018, but never pulled the trigger. I was ready to order one of the other colors, and when I saw a photo of these at the factory, I knew the timing was right.
I judge a kit by its toms. Kicks and snares have their own sound and are easy to make sound great, but toms reveal how well the sound is balanced, and how much sustain the drum has. If a company makes a great tom, the kicks and snares follow accordingly. (For the same reasons, I judge a cymbal line by its crashes.)
The Neusonics sound fabulous, far better than they should given that they're the lowest priced US-made Ludwigs.
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Buffalo_Drummer
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That Coral color is pretty bad. I really dig the digital Oyster for some reason.
Not yet, but I've been wanting to, and soon will. But I'm very familiar with them after working with them at NAMM during the last three shows (on the set-up days before the people and noise make it difficult to hear how things sound.)
The spurs are leftovers from the Signets - part of the cost-savings on the Neusonics - and no, they're not super sturdy. On a virgin kick they're fine if you're not a super aggressive player, and it's unlikely that such a player would be looking at that line anyway. However, I'm going to install a tom plate and mount a rack tom or two, and I'll know better how the legs hold up. I also did that on my Signets, and there were no movement or sturdiness issues, so I'm optimistic.
Should have them next month, I'll keep everyone posted.
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John Q. Drummer
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I actually like this way more than about 90% of the finishes that Ludwig offers. It's completely new, and in my opinion, very forward thinking on their part. Do we really need constant regurgitations of the same finishes & wraps we've been forced to endure for the last 100 years?
Even though I am not a Ludwig fan in the slightest, I applaud them for this wrap choice.
Even though I am not a Ludwig fan in the slightest, I applaud them for this wrap choice.
Ghostin one
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I like the wrap a lot. It will look better in normal light without a white background, like in a bar.
You guys who think it looks like a food prep surface could think of it as the butcher-block of the 21st century.
The wrap reminds me of strobe tuners. Maybe if you spin these drums really fast, different patterns will appear at different speeds!
You guys who think it looks like a food prep surface could think of it as the butcher-block of the 21st century.
The wrap reminds me of strobe tuners. Maybe if you spin these drums really fast, different patterns will appear at different speeds!
Buffalo_Drummer
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They should really look at upgrading those. Is the hole spacing similar to any other spurs design they offer?Not yet, but I've been wanting to, and soon will. But I'm very familiar with them after working with them at NAMM during the last three shows (on the set-up days before the people and noise make it difficult to hear how things sound.)
The spurs are leftovers from the Signets - part of the cost-savings on the Neusonics - and no, they're not super sturdy. On a virgin kick they're fine if you're not a super aggressive player, and it's unlikely that such a player would be looking at that line anyway. However, I'm going to install a tom plate and mount a rack tom or two, and I'll know better how the legs hold up. I also did that on my Signets, and there were no movement or sturdiness issues, so I'm optimistic.
Should have them next month, I'll keep everyone posted.
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I don't think the holes match up to anything, I sort of recall there are just two holes. But I wouldn't balk at installing new spurs if needed, and chances are the old holes will be covered up anyway.
If they upgrade them, the drums become more expensive. It wasn't necessary on the Signets - even with mounting toms on the kick - so I'm thinking it's also not necessary on these.
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toonamike
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I visited the factory in November 2018. Ludwig was parting out all of the Signet hardware into separate bins. Spurs, tension rods, etc.. I'm guessing those spurs went on some of the earliest Neusonic bass drums.
At the time, Ryan said the factory was running a Saturday shift to keep up with Neusonic demand.
I also saw a rather large Signet shell bank, undrilled and collecting dust. I almost asked if Ludwig would consider finishing those out with classic hardware. After a few moments, I realized that my wife would kill me.
The line is doing very well!
Signet parts that were re-purposed are the kick spurs, and the Triad mount for the tom, and fl tom legs. It's a shell-mounted isolation mount similar to the "Atlas" but doesn't stick out as far.
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toonamike
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My Classic Maple floor toms have triad leg brackets.The line is doing very well!
Signet parts that were re-purposed are the kick spurs, and the Triad mount for the tom, and fl tom legs. It's a shell-mounted isolation mount similar to the "Atlas" but doesn't stick out as far.
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Sad about the Signet line, they really sounded great, but there were just too many objections. Not about their sound though, because everyone was so quick to judge without actually playing or hearing them.
"I don't like the badge!"
"I don't like the lugs!"
"I don't like the finishes!"
"The lugs are gonna stretch out the holes!"
"The lugs are gonna rattle!"
"The lugs are gonna fall out when I change heads!"
Me: "But, you haven't even heard them..."
"I don't like the spurs!"
"I don't want to assemble the kit myself!"
"I still don't like the badge!"
"Did I mention the lugs??"
Sheesh....
toonamike
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It was a unique idea. I loved the looks, even though it didn't scream "LUDWIG!" The finish reminded me of the electrostatic options available on the high-end stuff. That's why I was tempted to ask about having them cut, drilled, and finished.
I think a keystone badge would have made a huge difference in perception. The Signet badge almost looks like the button on a pair of Levi's. That problem was rectified with Neusonic. It was smart of Ludwig to put a keystone badge on those.
Also a classic lug.
Winston_Wolf
Platinum Member
Agreed. I think Signet had to bear too many "differences" from what people expect from a Ludwig kit. If it had been "just" the lugs, or the finishes, or the badge, or the "do it yourself" construction it might have played out differently.Also a classic lug.
But it wasn't, so it didn't, and Neusonic's popularity proves that people want a Ludwig kit to look like a Ludwig kit. In hindsight the only surprise is that Signet's unpopularity was a surprise.
That played a part in why the Keystones eventually got the classic lug, and in fact is now the Classic Oak series. Prior to that, it had the lug from the Asian-made Epic series, even though the drums were made in Monroe. A little bit of an identity crisis, but it got solved.
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Winston_Wolf
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Some drum companies can change up lug designs and badges every few years with (seemingly) no effect to their viability but Ludwig just isn't one of those companies.
I'd put Gretsch in the same boat. There is an expectation of a certain look and it seems to me that every one of their experiments outside that box ends up changing back before too long. I'd wager they sell a lot more kits now just because of the round badge they put on all of their lines...
I'd put Gretsch in the same boat. There is an expectation of a certain look and it seems to me that every one of their experiments outside that box ends up changing back before too long. I'd wager they sell a lot more kits now just because of the round badge they put on all of their lines...
IBitePrettyHard
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Imagine if DW suddenly stopped using the turret lug.
justadrummer
Junior Member
I usually lean toward a traditional look, but I love this. I mean that I REALLY love this. I was hesitant in regards to the original Neusonic finishes that were offered. This is a winner in my book.
I'm looking forward to seeing you behind them on tour Jon.
I'm looking forward to seeing you behind them on tour Jon.