Ludwig discontinues Bronze Supraphonics?

Jeremy Bender

Platinum Member
Tony mentioned this on a video from DrumcenterNH. No idea why they are doing this.
Great drum and glad I got mine last year when I did.
 
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David Hunter

Junior Member
Yep. I have to wonder if it might have something to do with a plating/lacquering issue on some of the newer ones. I have two modern 5x14's, one smooth, one hammered. You can see a sort of ghosting issue around one of the Imperial lugs on the smooth shell, and I notice a similar issue around the rubber tube lug gaskets on the hammered. Very subtle in person, but it's there. I suspect it's a reaction to the rubber gaskets. It reminds me of the reaction my Sonor SQ1 Cruiser Blue finish had because of the rubber gaskets on the mounts.

If there was/is a bunch of them being sent back under warranty because of this (pure speculation on my part), it might make sense to pull the plug. OR, apply black nickel to the remaining stock and sell them as Bronze Beautys. Just a thought.

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Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
The best sounding snare drum I ever played was a bronze Supraphonic. It would be a shame if they discontinued them. I wonder if they're getting lost in the shuffle with all of the new metal snares they've been rolling out lately.
 

incrementalg

Gold Member
Yep. I have to wonder if it might have something to do with a plating/lacquering issue on some of the newer ones. I have two modern 5x14's, one smooth, one hammered. You can see a sort of ghosting issue around one of the Imperial lugs on the smooth shell, and I notice a similar issue around the rubber tube lug gaskets on the hammered. Very subtle in person, but it's there. I suspect it's a reaction to the rubber gaskets. It reminds me of the reaction my Sonor SQ1 Cruiser Blue finish had because of the rubber gaskets on the mounts.

If there was/is a bunch of them being sent back under warranty because of this (pure speculation on my part), it might make sense to pull the plug. OR, apply black nickel to the remaining stock and sell them as Bronze Beautys. Just a thought.

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You might be onto something with regard to the Bronze Beauty. They recently reintroduced those as limited run...maybe a way to use the bronze shell stock.
 

IBitePrettyHard

Senior Member
Yep. I have to wonder if it might have something to do with a plating/lacquering issue on some of the newer ones. I have two modern 5x14's, one smooth, one hammered. You can see a sort of ghosting issue around one of the Imperial lugs on the smooth shell, and I notice a similar issue around the rubber tube lug gaskets on the hammered. Very subtle in person, but it's there. I suspect it's a reaction to the rubber gaskets. It reminds me of the reaction my Sonor SQ1 Cruiser Blue finish had because of the rubber gaskets on the mounts.

If there was/is a bunch of them being sent back under warranty because of this (pure speculation on my part), it might make sense to pull the plug. OR, apply black nickel to the remaining stock and sell them as Bronze Beautys. Just a thought.

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It sounds like you're right. Who would've thought rubber gaskets could be so corrosive?

Maybe it's some sort of off-gassing from the rubber?
 

David Hunter

Junior Member
You might be onto something with regard to the Bronze Beauty. They recently reintroduced those as limited run...maybe a way to use the bronze shell stock.
I agree, and RickP deserves credit for that theory - he questioned it in a similar thread on DFO. It would certainly make sense. I have a 6.5" Bronze Beauty, and it is flawless in finish.

It sounds like you're right. Who would've thought rubber gaskets could be so corrosive?

Maybe it's some sort of off-gassing from the rubber?
That's exactly what I was thinking, Lee. It seems crazy, but I can't think of anything else that could be causing it. And like I said, I went through this exact scenario with the Cruiser Blue SQ1s. Big production, that.

Rubber... Who'da thunk it?!
 

steverok

Silver Member
I have one (LB552) with no rubber gaskets beneath the lugs, and it is a great drum. It has developed a patina beneath the top hoop, but I don't really care. Too bad they are discontinuing it, but life goes on. It will probably come back at a later date, I imagine.
 

donzo74

Junior Member
So THAT'S what it is! I have a 14x6.5 Hammered Bronze Supra w/ Imp lugs and there is a dark outline on the shell around the rubber gaskets. I pulled a lug and gasket off and tried to polish it off with NevrDull, but no dice. It is still one of my favorites despite the blemishes.
 
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Cmdr. Ross

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It will probably come back at a later date, I imagine.
Of that I have no doubt.

Maybe I should snag one and hold onto it for when I can sell as "rare" and "no longer made"

Not a bad thought. One never knows what value this might have in 10 years.
In the meantime, you'll have a great snare to bring pleasure to your ears. ?
 

Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
I still can't believe it. The bronze shell snare was a part of their line up for 40 years straight. Even the Black Beauty hasn't been in constant production that long...
 

incrementalg

Gold Member
Do the Bronze supras have good body? I haven’t seen one in person in 30 years. In the videos I’ve watched they sound kinda crunchy, without the same body that I hear with the other shells in the supra lineup.
 

steverok

Silver Member
Do the Bronze supras have good body? I haven’t seen one in person in 30 years. In the videos I’ve watched they sound kinda crunchy, without the same body that I hear with the other shells in the supra lineup.

I'd say, if tuned to your liking, they most surely will. I used it on some of the heavier tunes on my last record, and it really hit the spot for me.
 
Dang I just ordered a new 6.5” x 14” HH Bronze Supra. It has imperial lugs and rubber gaskets. Should I just remove the gaskets if the ghosting hasn’t begun yet?
 
Just got it in from Memphis Drum shop. It was shipped from the factory in Sept. 2019 and still new in the box. Has the smaller badge. No sign of the black shadowing around the rubber lug gaskets.
Anyhow tuned up with the factory heads and snares (The old Ludwig Weathermaster heads, not the newer Ludwig badged Remos) it sounds spot on wonderful! It’s not overpowering my Gretsch USA Bop kit and it’s got a nice warm ring and resonance tuned up medium-ish.
Ok the fun is on hold for now while I remove the gaskets!
 

bermuda

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Anyhow tuned up with the factory heads and snares (The old Ludwig Weathermaster heads, not the newer Ludwig badged Remos)
Ludwig still makes their snare heads, I assume to keep the snares as original as possible. Also their timpani and concert bass drum heads.
 
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