loving NS12 + patina question

jasyr

Active member
I have a no name NS12 20" that is very rich with harmonics. (I've got mostly all old Zildjian B20 cymbals.) It's a great new sound for me... soft, and just different. i just bought a shined up old Paiste Stambul 16" to go with it and would like to get some patina on it to make it match the 20"... does diluted salt & vinegar work on NS12? I've read it can take the shine off cymbals. True?

Also, does adding a little tape on bottom of cymbal take off treble the same way dirt & patina does? And i don't mean the aging of the metal. An already well-played 1960's cymbal can get the "dirt & patina" sound with some cloth duct tape?

Any NS12 trivia?

regards,
jasyr
 

C.M. Jones

Well-known member
Salt, vinegar, and similar solutions can lead to unpredictable results. If you want real patina, the best way to get it is by not polishing or cleaning cymbals and letting oxidation do its thing. Natural patina will form over time.

My cymbals (Zildjian's A Avedis series) have a factory-applied patina finish, probably a proprietary recipe. Zildjian claims it adds warmth to the sound. You might call or email Zildjian's headquarters and inquire about the process.
 

jasyr

Active member
Anyone know how long it takes NS12 to get that powdery look? And how does it age compared to B20?
 

MrInsanePolack

Platinum Member
Anyone know how long it takes NS12 to get that powdery look? And how does it age compared to B20?
NS12 has a much higher corrosion resistance than b20. It is a copper alloy, but does not contain tin. I've got some that are like 40 years old and they have no patina on them whatsoever. I dont clean my cymbals either.
 

jasyr

Active member
Update: i mixed a teaspoon of salt with 4 tablespoons of vinegar essence, (which is 7 times more concentrated than regular vinegar), and cut that w/ 8 tablespoons of water. Flipped the cymbal, taped off the hole and 1/2 filled the bell w/ some of the stuff. After 90 minutes: it looks fantastic. Totally organic. Indistinguishable from my 1960's 20" NS12 no-name.

I'm gonna buy a big bottle of the vinegar, make a pool out of plastic garbage bag just a little bigger than the cymbal, and immerse the Stambul.

Anyone else have a story about NS12 cymbals?
 

J-W

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Sorry, no stories from me, as I have mostly Zildjian A's, but at least post some before and after pics, if not some of the process itself.

I prefer the polished look, myself but it's always interesting to see these things.
 

Stroman

Platinum Member
Well, I don't know much about putting a patina on a cymbal, but I had a Zyn NS12 that I quite liked. It was a 16" crash, and was the best I could afford as a teen in the 70s. I'd love to hear that cymbal today, to see if I still liked it!
 

Out of Round

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Anyone else have a story about NS12 cymbals?
I have these 15" Paiste-Ludwig Hi-Hats. One weighs 850g, the other is 860g. The stamp is interesting as it's "Made in Germany", so it's not from the Swiss factory. The info on the old Paiste wiki made me think that they're possibly from the very late 50s to early 60s. These would be unusually sized hats for the period, if I'm not mistaken. 20210304_184420.jpg20210304_184545.jpg
 

zenstat

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I have these 15" Paiste-Ludwig Hi-Hats. One weighs 850g, the other is 860g. The stamp is interesting as it's "Made in Germany", so it's not from the Swiss factory. The info on the old Paiste wiki made me think that they're possibly from the very late 50s to early 60s. These would be unusually sized hats for the period, if I'm not mistaken. View attachment 101871View attachment 101872

The lost Paiste-Only Wiki is being resurrected as part of a project which covers all manufacturers


We've still got a lot of work to do. I'm not sure if I've got that version of the Ludwig Paiste trademark. Others in the research group might. I'm mostly specialized on pricing and weights analysis, plus everything 602, Sound Creations and Traditionals. I'll point those who know the Ludwig Paiste history to this. May we have permission to use your photos please?

I've got quality statistics on hat diameters for 602s as well as A Zildjian and K ZIldjian Istanbul. 15" hats are certainly around although the majority are 14".

First time I've ever heard of an NS12 cymbal!
Nickel Silver?

The NS12 entry needs lots of additions


but NS12 was used in the top line Paiste cymbals (Stambul) until the late 1950s. Once again we have a lot more info than is currently in the wiki, but progress has been slow in getting it all back online plus adding all the research which has gone on over the past few years.
 
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