I haven't seen her yet, but she comes through The Blue Note once or twice year and always has top notch musicians with her. She did a duet stint with Chick Corea and I believe another with Herbie Hancock, so the powers that be are definitely behind her. She's smart. She's writing interesting, accessible material that is intricate, progressive and doesn't sound like endless meaningless noodling. With a great orchestrator you could hear this in a film soundtrack or at your local Symphony Hall.Ok Abe, you got me there, but that's a different thread
Yes Ken, completely agree, but the reason I put up that link, was not to compare musicianship (frankly, opposite ends of the spectrum), it was as an example of unlikely partnerships turning out wonderful stuff.
Well, they do now. No argument there.I was waiting for you to say something, but that was quick. People may like or dislike Metallica, and they are huge and influential, but as musicians they suck.
They had a hint of prog in their songs back then.Metallica was great in their heyday. I was a huge fan of theirs in the 80s. They made some seriously killer music. Their last great album was the black album. It was down hill after that. But I can still put on Puppets to this day and think they were geniuses. They were pioneers not only in the thrash genre but metal in general.
Lars is not the best metal drummer by any stretch of the imagination but he did some great stuff on those records.
It's really an age thing. I grew up listening to Led Zep and Deep Purple so I always loved great rock singers, or maybe I just have a very limited understanding of what makes a great rock singer. I liked Dio and Rob Halford, but when I was in HS they really hadn't broken big yet to the point where they were the band have the fine production that even bands like Motley Crue and Poison came to seek out.Well, they do now. No argument there.
But they didn't used to.
Listen to "And Justice for All" and count through all the odd times and over the bar line phrases.
Count me in that group, Ken. Amazing. Quite a few of their great tracks too. I was bemused by some of the YouTube comments saying it's just influence, not plagiarism ... even vocal line and lyrics. Love is blind, I guess.
Fair enough, but I didn't ask you to identify with it. My comment was to your comment about "as musicians they suck." On And Justice for All, they displayed good chops, odd times, over the bar line phrases, and interesting uses of syncopation. They certainly did not "suck as musicians", regardless if you liked it or not.It's really an age thing. I grew up listening to Led Zep and Deep Purple so I always loved great rock singers, or maybe I just have a very limited understanding of what makes a great rock singer. I liked Dio and Rob Halford, but when I was in HS they really hadn't broken big yet to the point where they were the band have the fine production that even bands like Motley Crue and Poison came to seek out.
Metal since thrash has precured a level of angst that seems to define it these days, so if I were a teenager in 1988, as you were, I may have identified with And Justice for All. But I just hear it as music for teenagers.
Yes Orion is one of my favorite too...if I can't get Master Of Puppets I'll take that any other day.You're implying that teenagers cannot have sophisticated tastes. Sorry, but this is not true. Metallica got famous because they were that good compared to the other crap at the time. Then came the Black album and they went corporate and sold their souls to the machine. Slayer was big too. Reign In Blood was groundbreaking because the appeal was so widespread.
When I was 15, I got Genesis' Threee Sides Live album and I wore that cassette out in my new Walkman. Is that not sophisticated enough? Have you ever heard Orion by Metallica?
Totally agree with the last 2 paragraphs.I get that Lars isn't at his best currently - the beats are simple and his timing is definitely not perfect - I get that.
Saying that, however, I saw them when they hit London last and he was damn good! I think with Lars he's shocking from a technical stand point but his sense of feel and application of what he plays to the music in a live context is incredible. He has always been a better live drummer than studio artist.
This record is not something I think I'll get (the first Metallica record I won't own) but at the end of the day it's not a Metallica record. Arguably it's not a record. It's more a musicaly backed poetry that is essentially a Lou Reed project with Metallica filling out the back line.
They tried something new, it's not to many peoples tastes - move on and bring on the next Death Magnetic please.
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database. I never got the point of every Metallica fan bitching about how the first four albums (some people say the first 3) are the only good albums. I always thought if those albums were so great why didn't they have more sales?