Life n' Drums

aydee

Platinum Member
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A couple of years ago, I went to see a Chick Corea gig at the Wolftrap in DC. It was my chance to see an 80 plus & rather frail Roy Haynes play drums.
It was a great moment for me because Haynes embodies so much jazz history and is an important pillar in the evolution of jazz dumming, and he was amazing that night.

However, what really caught my attention that night was that there was a young drum tech who was futzing about with the drums onstage before the musicians came on. And when eventually Haynes was escorted on to the stage and helped onto his kit, he made this kid adjust his cymbal settings etc. Nothing unusual.

As the gig began, and it struck me as very odd that that this kid didn't leave the stage when the music started and instead remained crouched behind Haynes' floor tom the entire time.

His 'purpose' was soon to become self evident.

As the set heated up, Haynes took on a few solos. He threw himself into his solos, musically and literally - often falling over his floor tom as he went around the kit. But then he couldnt pick himself up. He lay there flapping like a fish out of water for a split second, which is when this kid would quickly and unobtrusively, prop him back up.

This happened at least 3 times in the set.

Im in my 50s, and though perhaps a little premature, I sometimes think of my own mortality and my passion for the drumset, its visceral attraction to me. I wonder how long it will last.... will it diminish as the skills and the body will?

And then I think of Roy Haynes. And it makes me feel good.

Though I'd share this with alla y'all.

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Andy

Administrator
Staff member
An inspiring yet worrying story Abe. I'm the same age as you, yet regretfully, I had to deal with these thoughts a few years ago, but in reverse. It was ill health that actually brought me back to drumming, although initially, I thought I was only going to squeeze a year or two out of the experience.

Now I'm fairly stable, my thoughts go towards the long term too, & how I'll cope if things get shitty again. Not only my ability to physically play & maintain enthusiasm, but now also from a drum building POV too.
 

eclipseownzu

Gold Member
It seems to go really quick as well. My first drum teacher is now in his seventy's and he from a great jazz drummer who was actively gigging, to somebody who could no longer hold the sticks anymore in the span of about a year. I feel for him, drumming was his life, it definitely makes you think about your own mortality.
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Being in good health is a priority in my life. Good organic nutrition, no prescription drugs, lots of clean unfluoridated water, and a positive attitude go a long way to retaining good health. If you have a problem, home remedies should be exhausted before going to doctors. I basically eliminated my arthritis by taking a quarter teaspoon of borax every other day, no lie. Home remedies in action. You think a doctor is going to tell you that?

My goal is to steer clear of the medical system and to eliminate all the negative lifestyle factors that are pushed on us by doctors, major corporations, and my own government.

You have to be really vigilant about what you are putting in your body, and the whole system is geared towards you eating nutritionally deficient food and taking pills for every imaginable thing. If you actually did what the mainstream wants you to do...

They vaccinate you under the guise of preventing illness, but really it just sets the stage for problems later in life. It's expected that the right path for you is to spend a small fortune on college so you start your adult life with massive debt. Then you are encouraged to eat the worlds worst food (that tastes sooo good!) that eventually leads you to be entrenched in the medical system with their goal of you being sickly and fleeced of your money as you age.

No thank you. They ain't getting me. You really have to be on your guard when people who are supposed to have your best interests at heart, (doctors, government) are slowly poisoning you. So I don't trust anyone who has authority over me. All they want is my money, leeches. I will live to be at least 100 and I will be in good health, meaning able to play my drums at a level I'm accustomed to right up to the end, until my body naturally fails me.

Thank god I have drumming. I think it's important to be passionate about something. If I didn't have something like that in life, maybe I wouldn't care as much. I'd like to offer any person or entity who is trying to slowly poison me the one finger salute. They don't fool me. They ain't getting me.

Sorry for the rant, but it is related to the thread.
 
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criz p. critter

Silver Member
Larry nailed it. I totally believe in everything he said. That wasn't a rant, it was the truth. Even if you don't believe it, it's the truth! If anyone doubts it, just give it a few months. Once you've switched over to a clean and healthy lifestyle, you will start seeing benefits everywhere in your life. I've only been doing it about 4 months now, and I'm not perfect, but I've lost weight, skin cleared up, carpal tunnel symptoms are gone, and I just have more energy and enthusiasm.

Seriously, for older guys like us, that's the way we can continue doing what we love, long after the younger guys have given up. Get healthy, stay interested, and don't worry about what happens at the end.
 

Anon La Ply

Renegade
Apart from the bad food, Larry, I disagree. People are living longer today than at any time in history. I do think going natural as much as possible makes sense but to me the bigger issue with the medical profession is specialisation and a lack of holistic analysis and mastery. Yes, there's corruption with big pharma but I find most doctors are sincere.

With my back messed up I have resolved to work out when I get home in a way I've never done before. Weak muscles = an angry skeleton. I'm sure muscle tone is key to being able to do the physical things we enjoy. Either that or be able to afford to pay someone to keep us upright :)

Roy is still superb, as shown on Letterman.

Yes, it's horrible but the truth is that as we get older we MUST exercise more or pay the consequences.
 

Brian

Gold Member
Our health care system was designed around big-business and big-pharm ties sucking as much wealth from society as possible, while giving the least back to society in return. It's no different than pretty much every other institution or business. So in that respect, I'd agree with Larry.

When it costs $80,000 to perform a fairly routine medical procedure, there is something wrong.

But they'll get that $80k

And props to Roy Haynes for going strong well into his 80's (is he 90 now?)
 

Hollywood Jim

Platinum Member
My Father played drums at gigs until he died at 85. The only problem he had was moving his drum kit around.
So he split up the drums and hardware into smaller parts that he could lift in and out of his station wagon. He also got a smaller base drum.

This is what I'm worried about. My drum hardware is heavy !


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larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Agree Anon about the exercise, that's necessary along with nutrition. People are living longer yes, but is their old age vibrant and healthy? The majority? No way, not even close. I swear, they want to keep you alive as long as possible for the financial benefit they get. I think doctors are so brainwashed by Big Pharma...plus it's in THEIR best interest to keep their cash cow alive. I blame the patients for being so gullible and trusting. And a lot of doctors I know have a god complex. They think they are better than everyone else. Doctors are the most arrogant people I know.

I get to see how a lot of people live in my line of work, because I go right into their kitchens and bedrooms and I see so many old people who might as well be dead. They totally trust their doctors, have way too many prescription drug bottles laying around, they eat crap food and they are the most sickly people I know, mentally and physically. I include my own mother in there. You don't have to be a doctor to see this. With all due respect Anon, maybe if you hadn't smoked 500 miles of cigarettes in your life, your skeleton wouldn't be revolting. All those chemicals...they had to take a toll. People are in control of their own lifestyle. It's just that there is so much coercion to live badly. Alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs, deodorants that have aluminum in them, vaccinations that introduce animal pathogens into your body, the list goes on and on...and most of all bad food.

I never smoked tobacco. Another government sanctioned health horror for humans. I'm in good health and can do everything I was always able to do. I expect it to be that way for another 46 years at least. You have to be an advocate for your own good health. Getting really great food is a full time job on it's own. It's there but you have to seek it out. Eliminating as many poisons in your lifestyle is paramount.

Sorry. This subject is close to my heart.
 

Anon La Ply

Renegade
Lazza, Dad didn't keep going to the point of horror due to big pharma - he did it because of an entirely instinctive and understandable fear of death. That's what keeps many of us going past our use by date.

Meanwhile doctors have little choice but to keep oldies going due to 1. fear of being sued by relatives and 2. inflexible adherence to the Hippocratic Oath. That's not even including religious beliefs ... so it goes.

Meanwhile, Roy is still being brilliant despite all the things you mentioned, which leads us to arguably the most important aspect of good health - passion. That augers well for you because all the regulars here know that your passion for playing is infectious :)
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
I'm sorry, I don't mean to paint everyone with the same brush. There are all kinds of different circumstances, but by and large, our bad health comes down to bad choices that we are encouraged to make. Ultimately, we do it to ourselves. The majority are stupid enough to slowly poison themselves with all manner of different ways to do it, because they trust what they are told.

Oh the doctor took my blood pressure and it's high so I have to take blood pressure medication. And my cholesterol was a little high so I have to take cholestrol medicine. That's how they get you started. These drugs stand in the way of your health. SO many people take blood pressure medicine unnecessarily. They really need to eat healthier, lose weight and exercise. Pills are not the answer, nutrition and an active lifestyle is.

I think humans and plants can be compared to a certain extent. When a plant is sick, is it given drugs? Lol! No it's due to a deficiency in it's soil, and the nutrient it is lacking is causing the symptoms. Same with human. If a human is sick, it is because something natural is lacking that triggered disease. Generally speaking. Nutrition is so much more important than most people give credit for. It's the first line of defense in keeping humans healthy.
 

Jeff Almeyda

Senior Consultant
Love ya, Larry but it is irresponsible to say that vaccination is a bad practice. We have essentially rid the world of smallpox and polio because of the genius of Pasteur and Salk.

The whole "vaccination causes autism" argument was proven to be all founded on a lie.
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
I know there are differing opinions regarding vaccination, and I won't try and debate. I know that for myself, I am not putting foreign viruses into my body that the medical profession says is good for me. I simply don't trust them at all. Flu shots especially.
 

dmacc_2

Well-known member
I don't know how long I will play. My guess is, until I can no longer physically do so. My Dad played up until about 5 years before he died. I have many family members who played (various instruments) up until their last days and some well before that due to physical limitations.

This isn't sports so I hope my body will endure it for a long time to come. That being said, who knows when we'll pass on. On one of my other daily drum forum hangouts, 2 died recently, one just within the last 10 days. Neither were very old.

Not to be morbid, but I have my intentions spelled out for all of my gear (actually all of my stuff). The recipients know it as does my spouse and any other interested party who would deal with my stuff once I die. I've seen too many messes get created from the lack of planning to not do so. Think about it, not that you would care since you'd be dead, but who would be left wondering what your gear is and what it may be worth....
 

FoolInTheRain

Senior Member
The way Larry feels is pretty close to how I feel about my health. Big Pharma is out of control. If you take Drug A for depression, you have to take Drug B to keep the side-effects of Drug A in check. It's completely ridiculous.

And the vaccinations. About 10 years ago I used to work at Walgreen's. They had flu shots, but they only did it once a year and you had to sign up in advance. Nowadays, you can just walk into any of them YEAR-ROUND and get a flu shot and be on your way in 5 minutes. And while you're there you can also get your meningitis and shingles vaccines. Am I the only one that thinks that's weird? How do they know when one strain ends and the new one begins? It's only been 10 years since I worked at a pharmacy but it already seems like the dark ages.
 

8Mile

Platinum Member
It wasn't so long ago that people routinely died horrible deaths from diseases because we didn't have vaccines for them. I'd love to see the look on the face of someone who suffered from Polio listen to the tin foil hat club tell them how they're better off with the disease because of how bad vaccines are for their bodies.

I always figured a microbe would wipe out the human race eventually. But only recently has it become apparent that a disease we've already cured might come back and do the trick because of our paranoia.

There is some sad sh** going on. Shameful, sad sh**.
 

dmacc_2

Well-known member
It wasn't so long ago that people routinely died horrible deaths from diseases because we didn't have vaccines for them. I'd love to see the look on the face of someone who suffered from Polio listen to the tin foil hat club tell them how they're better off with the disease because of how bad vaccines are for their bodies.

I always figured a microbe would wipe out the human race eventually. But only recently has it become apparent that a disease we've already cured might come back and do the trick because of our paranoia.

There is some sad sh** going on. Shameful, sad sh**.
I don't intend on telling someone they are wrong for feeling the way they do - whichever way that is, but I can tell you with absolute certainty, I am in your camp Larry.

We had a short conversation with my daughter's doctor when she was born on this topic. I came right out and said to be sure she gets every vaccine that is recommended at this age and any age. If a new, proven one comes out in the meantime - give her that too.

I couldn't imagine being a parent and not doing so. I only speak from my own views though. Fortunately my wife shares the same opinion so there's no disagreement.
 

Anon La Ply

Renegade
I think vaccinations are another category to the lifestyle stuff. Thing is, we are all flawed humans and sometimes we are compelled to do things that are bad for us. If a medicine helps reduce the damage and buys people more time, so be it. If a person feels they need poisons to survive can we judge if we haven't walked a kilometre in their shoes?

Not everyone has equal strength of character, and we have unequal damage done to us in our formative years. Plus different physiology. Do we medicate or just let them die to strengthen the species? Maybe our population and resource squeezes wouldn't be as bad if we let the weak and misguided fall off the perch?

Healthy eating and exercise messages have been hammered into us for decades but you can lead a horse to water ...

Pretty sure this isn't what Abe had in mind with this thread, Larry, but I'm sure he'll forgive you lol

As a side note, what would you call a member of the crew whose job is to keep the star upright? A handler? A lifter? A guardian angel? :)
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
I'm actually not sure what direction this thread is supposed to be going anyway. Roy Haynes needing a prop, poor guy.. How can someone play if they can't even sit themselves upright? That's amazing that he hasn't lost his ability to just slay on the drums. Who knows, he might be dead if it weren't for his drumming.

It's cool to have differing opinions though. No one can agree on everything. I try not to force my beliefs on others, but I will put them out there just the same. In the end, you just have to be true to yourself, and do what you think is best.
 

Jeff Almeyda

Senior Consultant
Anyway, back to Roy...

I hope to be playing until I'm 100 plus as well. At age 46 I'm still playing speed metal. (among other things). Most of my work colleagues are playing golf and are 30 pounds overweight.

If you work out, eat right and take care of yourself, there is no reason why you can't be playing right up until its your time to check out. I doubt I will be slamming metal in 50 years but they will have to drag me away from the drums kicking and screaming...
 
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