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(AP) Since a Led Zeppelin reunion is out of the question, Jimmy Page has done the next best thing re-mastered the band's entire catalog.
As a producer on the recordings, Page had many studio takes in his possession. After spending the last few years listening to hundreds of hours of music, nine freshly mastered studio albums will be released in chronological order, three at a time. The first set arrives Tuesday.
In addition, each album includes a companion disc of music previously unheard to give fans "an extra perspective," Page said.
The legendary guitarist sat down recently with The Associated Press to talk about the rereleased recordings, the band's legacy and if he'll ever work again with Robert Plant.
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AP: When you started Led Zeppelin, you essentially wanted to build a new version of the Yardbirds.
Page: The Yardbirds sort of disbanded, and I was disappointed because I thought what we were doing was really good. I thought we were really onto something. I thought I was really onto something with these ideas that I had. I was using acoustic in that band. ... But we were caught up in that singles tract, which was so destroying, really. We had to deal with these silly songs where on the flip side of the single, there'd be something that we did ourselves that was more reflective of the band's character.
AP: Did you ever imagine Led Zeppelin would get as big as it did?
Page: I played guitar all my life, all the way through the Yardbirds, but I knew that for me this was going to be a guitar vehicle, because that's what I wanted it to be. There is no way I would play guitar like a tour de force like I did in Led Zeppelin. John Bonham, phenomenal drummer, young man with his technique, but do you think he would ever have the opportunity to play like that in another band? Of course he hadn't. And the same with John Paul Jones superaccomplished musician, but he'd never had the chance to play like that. Or Robert (Plant). And so these four musical equals, because they were they were all stars in their own right could actually play and the synergy that they had was second to none. That's all there was to it.
AP: After John (Bonham) died (in 1980), tell me why you decided to not continue with the band?
Page: It would be a bit dishonest; it would be totally dishonest. So it took time, a time to be able to reconsider doing anything like that. But of course, we did do it and we did it well. (They reunited in 2007 at the O2 Arena in London.)
AP: Will you make music with Robert (Plant) again?
Page: Robert seems really keen on just wanting to make music on his own without any of his previous band members. It seems quite apparent because I've seen him with these projects that come and go during the period where I've been dealing with this project, with the exception of the O2 and Celebration Day (when they reunited). ... That's all right because it is what it is. I certainly have some really good ideas.
AP: How did Led Zeppelin control its music as opposed to the label?
Page: It was being paid for, paid for at this end (points to himself), so it wasn't like going to a record company (and) saying, 'Can I have an advance?' At that point, being the guitarist of the Yardbirds after they folded, they wouldn't have been too encouraging. The only way to do it was to get your own album, and then go to the record company, because when you do that, you can make certain stipulations. That was pretty unusual in those days. It wasn't done like that.
AP: Will you go back into the studio?
Page: I haven't recorded the material I got because I haven't had a unit due to all the comings and goings of these albums. ... I want to be seen playing this new material, say next year.
 

opentune

Platinum Member
Interesting how none of them would have played or sung the way they did, without being in that band.
Goes to show how a really great band is always bigger than the sum of its parts.
 

Eand

Member
Neil Peart has said in interviews that there are many drummers who are as good or better than he is, but that they don't get well-deserved attention because they don't play in a band like Rush.

The songs of Rush are constructed so that the drums are given an equal share of the spotlight. And it's more than just being given room for long fills - the songs are structured differently.

I think Zeppelin is similar in that respect.
 

Redbeard

Senior Member
Interesting how none of them would have played or sung the way they did, without being in that band.
Goes to show how a really great band is always bigger than the sum of its parts.
You could probably make a case that chemistry is even more important than talent (assuming a certain baseline of ability). Look at how many folks over the years have left a successful band and never approached that level again either as a solo artist or with a different group.
 

Les Ismore

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"John Bonham, phenomenal drummer, young man with his technique, but do you think he would ever have the opportunity to play like that in another band?"

I would say probably yes. LZ's undeniable chemistry aside, Bonzo would've done what he done did in another unit IMO.

Bonzo had technique, but not really a well rounded drummer, couldn't play reggae worth a crap and in Ginger Bakers own words Bonzo "Couldn't swing a sack of shit."

So as a vehicle Zepp highlighted the players strengths, which is a given, that's what you do in an original band, you play your stuff, your strengths.

Has Plant with his amazing ability done anything worth a shit since Zepp? What about Jonesy? IMO no. These guys do what they do, they're not going to change genera's and kick ass, they're not that level of musicians.

There's probably 100 guys that could cover Boham/Zepp well enough, and 10 of those really well and half of those exceptionally well.

Lead singer? That's a different story. Are there 100 guys who could cover Zepp and not sound silly?

I would guess all Page wants is another go around, a big tour, do a 4-6 months, whatever the old bastids can muster. I can clearly relate to Plant not wanting to go back to a past life and the physical challenge/responsibility of being a 20yr old blues belter again, he's over it.


IMO Page should get Jonsey, a drummah and Ann Wilson (from Heart) and go do Led Zeppelin again.
 

Mike Stand

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I would say probably yes. LZ's undeniable chemistry aside, Bonzo would've done what he done did in another unit IMO.

Bonzo had technique, but not really a well rounded drummer, couldn't play reggae worth a crap and in Ginger Bakers own words Bonzo "Couldn't swing a sack of shit."

So as a vehicle Zepp highlighted the players strengths, which is a given, that's what you do in an original band, you play your stuff, your strengths.

Has Plant with his amazing ability done anything worth a shit since Zepp? What about Jonesy? IMO no. These guys do what they do, they're not going to change genera's and kick ass, they're not that level of musicians.

There's probably 100 guys that could cover Boham/Zepp well enough, and 10 of those really well and half of those exceptionally well.

Lead singer? That's a different story. Are there 100 guys who could cover Zepp and not sound silly?

I would guess all Page wants is another go around, a big tour, do a 4-6 months, whatever the old bastids can muster. I can clearly relate to Plant not wanting to go back to a past life and the physical challenge/responsibility of being a 20yr old blues belter again, he's over it.


IMO Page should get Jonsey, a drummah and Ann Wilson (from Heart) and go do Led Zeppelin again.
I usually appreciate your sparse but effective, no-bull choice of words Les, but I disagree with some points, explicit and implicit, in your post.

For one, even a die-hard Bonham fan can realise that he was no Steve Gadd in terms of technique. However, emphasizing that he didn't excel at swing or reggae is odd as it seems to suggest that he was just another rigid rocker. This goes counter to what many people appreciate in Bonham; that he was a hardrock drummer that actually did have a good degree of groove. This is what earned Led Zep the "tight but loose" accolade and what distinguishes them from all the rock/metal bans that tried to emulate them and failed.

Successive snippets such as "they're not that level of musicians", "There's probably 100guys that could cover Boham/Zepp well enough", "So as a vehicle Zepp highlighted the players strengths" all seem to indicate a much less favourable evaluation of band and drummer then is generally the case. Of course, on technique alone there's plenty of musicians that blow these guys out of the water. There's always someone else that can match, sometimes even better what someone else has created. I suppose it depends on what one values more, the level of musicianship achieved by a band, technical and otherwise, or the music they created and the originality and impact of that same music. Personally. whether Bonham could play a calypso, big band jazz, or whatever else as well as he played Whole Lotta Love is absolutely secondary to the contribution he made to some music which to this day still has a phenomenal impact. Fine if there's 100 or even 10.000 people who can now play Kashmir as well, someone had to create that music in the first place.

Led Zep might have played to their strengths (what else were they supposed to do?) but if that somehow means that they were limited, then it's all the more incredible that they created music that continues to mesmerize music lovers the world over.
 

Les Ismore

Platinum Member
I usually appreciate your sparse but effective, no-bull choice of words Les, but I disagree with some points, explicit and implicit, in your post.

For one, even a die-hard Bonham fan can realise that he was no Steve Gadd in terms of technique.

Of course, on technique alone there's plenty of musicians that blow these guys out of the water.

A less than favorable evaluation of the band/drummer then is 'generally' the case?




Led Zep might have played to their strengths (what else were they supposed to do?)

I covered that: "So as a vehicle Zepp highlighted the players strengths, which is a given, that's what you do in an original band, you play your stuff, your strengths." which wouldn't be limited to LZ members, tho in the aftermath its more so 'What can you do?'.



Did the 'Who' give up when their irreplaceable drummer passed?

Would LZ have grabbed someone from the audience had Bonham passed out drunk on the throne?

Did 'Queen' hide in the closet after Freddie Mercury passed?

I think they realized the fans are what made them, they made the music, but the ppl made them popular.

Fo the love of god man, if Plant doesn't want to put on the tight pants and squeeze lemons every night, what's a Jimmy Page to do with a Led Zeppelin?
 
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brady

Platinum Member
Les, I seem to recall 'Raising Sand' was a rather good, recent(ish) album by Robert Plant...
Yes! Loved it!

Check out his Band of Joy record too. I couldn't get that out of my player for weeks.

There is also an excellent live DVD of them out there too.
 

Captain Bash

Silver Member
Bonham was allowed a whole lotta latitude with the drumming in Zep. But hey it's solid creative, powerful and at times sensitive. Ginger Baker is just jealous and needs to understand that not everyone wants African polyrhythms in jazz style.
 

TheHeelDrummer

Senior Member
I would say probably yes. LZ's undeniable chemistry aside, Bonzo would've done what he done did in another unit IMO.

Bonzo had technique, but not really a well rounded drummer, couldn't play reggae worth a crap and in Ginger Bakers own words Bonzo "Couldn't swing a sack of shit."

So as a vehicle Zepp highlighted the players strengths, which is a given, that's what you do in an original band, you play your stuff, your strengths.

Has Plant with his amazing ability done anything worth a shit since Zepp? What about Jonesy? IMO no. These guys do what they do, they're not going to change genera's and kick ass, they're not that level of musicians.

There's probably 100 guys that could cover Boham/Zepp well enough, and 10 of those really well and half of those exceptionally well.

Lead singer? That's a different story. Are there 100 guys who could cover Zepp and not sound silly?

I would guess all Page wants is another go around, a big tour, do a 4-6 months, whatever the old bastids can muster. I can clearly relate to Plant not wanting to go back to a past life and the physical challenge/responsibility of being a 20yr old blues belter again, he's over it.


IMO Page should get Jonsey, a drummah and Ann Wilson (from Heart) and go do Led Zeppelin again.
I respect your opinion and dont want to seem confrontational, but yeah, I dont agree with just about all of this.

Not that level of musicians? Jones was a monster studio guy before Zep... and we wont even get into Page, the Yardbirds and ALL of the tracks he played on that we even know about... not to mention the ones we dont. If you are talking about commercial success... maybe they dont feel the need to chase it?

Lets just take Jones for an example though. Jones sessions with the Foo fighters, his string arrangement on the Stones "She's a Rainbow", his stuff with Donovan, Jeff Back, Rod Stewart not to mention sessions with Paul McCartney and just about everyone else you can think of seem to prove your theory dead wrong. So yeah... what has John Paul Jones done since Led Zeppelin?

I also disagree wholeheatedly that Bonham was not a well rounded drummer or that he could not swing. I have heard from more than one person that Ginger Baker is a complete A-hole and thats putting it nicely. I really could care less what his opinion is on anything and would bet the house that the guy is so jealous of Bonham he probably thinks about him every day of his life. You would be hard pressed to find Ginger Baker saying a good thing about ANYONE.

How many times have you personally heard Bonham play reggae? Dyer Maker? Really? Do you have clips of him playing reggae badly? If so, can I hear one? I've heard Steve Smith attempt to play Bonham licks and it makes me laugh. Does that make him not well rounded? I listened to Mike Portnoy attempt Achilles Last Stand with Dream Theater and attempt Dazed and Confused at Bonzo Bash. Its not even close to Bonham's feel. So he must be not well rounded also because he cannot replicate him?

Maybe if Bonham didnt die at age 32 we could judge his body of work much better considering I doubt he would have stopped evolving as a drummer at that age.

Since you mentioned it, can you show me five clips of guys that can play like Bonham with his feel? And I'm talking "I would have thought that was John Bonham if I didnt know better".
 

_Leviathan_

Senior Member
I respect your opinion and dont want to seem confrontational, but yeah, I dont agree with just about all of this.

Not that level of musicians? Jones was a monster studio guy before Zep... and we wont even get into Page, the Yardbirds and ALL of the tracks he played on that we even know about... not to mention the ones we dont. If you are talking about commercial success... maybe they dont feel the need to chase it?

Lets just take Jones for an example though. Jones sessions with the Foo fighters, his string arrangement on the Stones "She's a Rainbow", his stuff with Donovan, Jeff Back, Rod Stewart not to mention sessions with Paul McCartney and just about everyone else you can think of seem to prove your theory dead wrong. So yeah... what has John Paul Jones done since Led Zeppelin?

I also disagree wholeheatedly that Bonham was not a well rounded drummer or that he could not swing. I have heard from more than one person that Ginger Baker is a complete A-hole and thats putting it nicely. I really could care less what his opinion is on anything and would bet the house that the guy is so jealous of Bonham he probably thinks about him every day of his life. You would be hard pressed to find Ginger Baker saying a good thing about ANYONE.

How many times have you personally heard Bonham play reggae? Dyer Maker? Really? Do you have clips of him playing reggae badly? If so, can I hear one? I've heard Steve Smith attempt to play Bonham licks and it makes me laugh. Does that make him not well rounded? I listened to Mike Portnoy attempt Achilles Last Stand with Dream Theater and attempt Dazed and Confused at Bonzo Bash. Its not even close to Bonham's feel. So he must be not well rounded also because he cannot replicate him?

Maybe if Bonham didnt die at age 32 we could judge his body of work much better considering I doubt he would have stopped evolving as a drummer at that age.

Since you mentioned it, can you show me five clips of guys that can play like Bonham with his feel? And I'm talking "I would have thought that was John Bonham if I didnt know better".
Yep, John Paul Jones versatility has been well established at this point. before and after Zep. And to add to this, Bonham was a totally different animal in the studio versus on stage. In the studio, solid and very restrained. But live, free, improvisational, almost unhinged, bringing through a lot of styles as he wished, not just rock and roll. Barely the same player really.
 

coolhand1969

Senior Member
Ok, they will never get together and play again, like they did in 2007. Maybe Jimmy thought he had something to prove, after the wacked years of the 80's and that awful "No Quarter" album.

I know it was 7 years ago, but that night, IMO, Jimmy proved anything and everything: He could still drive a 4 piece rock band, he did not need any help. John Paul Jones, not sure what to say about him, except his musical talent has only gotten better over the years.

Jason did a great job, gonna leave it at that.

Robert at the O2 concert did well. He has lost his range, but what bothered me most about his performance was when he was interacting with the crowd and said "We first heard this song in a church house in 1932" or something like that. Realy, how old would that make him.

They will never tour, and I believe it is a good idea. Throught the internet and the stuff Jimmy is putting out, this will be enough.

Remember though, JPJ has been playing with David Grohl. I know Jimmy had the lead singer of Alter Bridge come to England to Jam (JPJ was there too).

Point is this: Plant comes across as some sort of old curmudgeon from a rest home and Page and JPJ look like they have their second wind.

JPJ / Jimmy /David Grohl / and some young talented kid, put an album together and tour. Even if they did not play a Zep song, I would pay to see them (if not Grohl, then Steve Gorman).
 

opentune

Platinum Member
Point is this: Plant comes across as some sort of old curmudgeon from a rest home and Page and JPJ look like they have their second wind.
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I can't understand why you're saying this when all Plant is saying is:
" I don't want to be an old fogie , replaying old stuff. I have put a lot of my time and effort into NEW things to do, which occupy my time, and are more interesting to me than being a jukebox". Plant is also at the same really tired of all the $$ and the soul sucking business 'stadium' people who come creeping around and want to bleed everybody everytime Zep gets together for something.

I obviously really admire his stance. He's moved on, doing new things, getting out of big-business rock. If anybody is taking risks and progressing its him. If Pagey and JPJ want to keep on, find a lead singer and ya....go do it. Thats what the Firm was about..Crooked Vultures...etc. Plant has no issue with that. Pagey obviously has new songs but needs a singer. Find one.

I mean the corollary of your argument is Paul McCartney a curmudgeon for not ever touring with Ringo ?
 
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