I've wonder about this for so long and may have asked this before but what is it with kids and counting out loud. I have had many students over the years who just will not count, they "feel stupid" or say it is "just too difficult to play and count." "Hey kid you're doing quarter notes, count them!!" But I've had kids as old as 13 who start to cry when I ask them to count. The funny thing is that often I ask them to count because they are playing wrong and then they say when I count out loud I play it wrong. I tell them when they count out load they realize they are playing it wrong. Separate from taking out a chart and saying get through this without counting. what is it with kids and counting and what techniques can teachers use to get them over their hang up about "feeling stupid."