Is it just me or do people tend to underrate Karen Carpenter as a great drummer? I mean, the woman could sing in a gorgeous 3 octave range and keep a beat at the same time. John Bonham couldn't do that. Then they made her stop playing. If you look up videos online you can see how flipping happy it made her to be behind a drum kit. She always thought of herself as a drummer who sang. It really sucks that they took her happy place away from her. What a gift she had. She could play some crazy hard time signatures too. If they allowed her to have more input in the music she and Richard would have been a force and a half. Kind of like Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas. Finneas is a production genius and Billie can sing the living daylights out of a song. An interesting side note is that Billie said she always thought Finneas had a better voice than her. Karen didn't think her own voice was that great either.