Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz here!

JCRW82

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I've got both, but never compared them. While we'd like to think that different sizes of a particular model are consistent, that isn't always the case. It's the same when comparing the same model and size, and they sound and feel different. Cymbals are very individual.

So... I don't know the answer. :(

Bermuda
Understood, very similar to play a few crashes of the same size & model. Always a difference between them, it's the players ears deciding on which one is the best of the bunch. Thanks again for your reply, I appreciate it! :)
 

JCRW82

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@bermuda I see that you are currently playing one of the Ludwig Neusonic drum kits and plan to try that out on the next tour. Any changes made to your cymbal lineup as well to compliment the kit? Interested is seeing what you are currently playing around with for crash cymbals. Thanks again!
 

bermuda

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@bermuda I see that you are currently playing one of the Ludwig Neusonic drum kits and plan to try that out on the next tour. Any changes made to your cymbal lineup as well to compliment the kit? Interested is seeing what you are currently playing around with for crash cymbals. Thanks again!
The Neusonics haven't been used in context yet, they arrived just in time for my gigs to get cancelled. But they do sound great, and I'm hoping to get a few size-finish considerations so I can take them on tour. That is, the finish is exclusive to 22/13/16 shells, and I've asked Ludwig for other sizes in the same finish. You'd think it would be simple enough, but nothing exists unless there's a specific stock # with every conceivable specification.

Touring crashes have been Sabian Paragons for a while, but I may try the Complex crashes. They have a really nice, even tone, whereas the Paragons have a bit of a midrange focus. They're also somewhat lighter than the Paragons, but I've been adjusting my playing over the last few tours and am using lighter sticks, so they may be durable enough for me.

In town, I use Vault crashes, typically a 15 or 16" on most gigs. If I need something that carries better, I drag out the 17-20" sizes. :)

Bermuda
 

JCRW82

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Thanks again @bermuda for your reply! I'm actually hoping to go to the Sabian Factory in the fall and am hoping to try some more of the HHX Complex line myself.
 

Otto

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Hey Jon,

The General Discussion thread on compliments made me realize I had not made a visit over here!

As a well known pro what is your take on receiving praise from other drummers?

Does it get old? Does it tend to generate a static internal response for you or does it remain a fresh experience each time?

It seems it would be hard to be 'present' after a certain point.

Hope you know that the drumming geeks in my circle that used to cluster about fm radios trying to tune in the Dr. Demento Show from a thousand plus miles away always felt the humor of Al's work through the filter of your accuracy of feel and composition...the irony reaching 'Saturday Night Live' type heights because the possibility was real that Al was working with Rodger Taylor on 'Another One Rides The Bus'!
You brought conversation to the idea of 'feel' that we 8th graders had not delved into.
Thanks for that!
 

bermuda

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I enjoy hearing positive comments, and I've never had the sense that any of it wasn't genuine or was given in order to get a favor. But there's never been so much that it gets old, I really appreciate anything that comes my way. Praise from a pro is especially appreciated, and one extremely well-known and well-liked drummer said after one of Al's shows "I couldn't do what you do." Or maybe he said "I wouldn't do what you do", I'm not completely sure!

Thank you for listening to us on Demento, those were just the seeds of what was to come. However it's hard to imagine that Roger Taylor would be involved with Another One Rides The Bus, that accordion case was all me! :)
 

Zaster

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I can’t tell you how much I love that American Pie one— it’s sublime! Also the Nirvana which I actually hadn’t heard until a couple years ago. (Sorry I know that’s not really adding anything at all to this conversation but I just saw this thread and I was moved by the spirit! 😄 )
 

Ransan

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Huge fan here as well! I hope you don’t mind me keeping the spirit going here.
To this day I don’t understand why “One More Minute” was never in the top 10 contemporaries? I was born in early 80s, as a youngster, even I knew there was something catchy in this particular tune.
Such a beautiful song aside from lyrics which are genius in satire.
Al was locked in the melody, and you guys - if in fact are ‘doo wopping’ - kill it as well!

By the way is “One More Minute” a rendition or an original?

Also what splash are you using on “Gump”?
Is that an 8” AA? Mine sounds like that as far as decay goes. Presidents were one of my favorite bands growing up in ‘90s; and, when y’all covered that one, was utopian for me as a young teen.
For some reason I’ve always had it in my head even back then that the original drummer Jason Finn used a b8 series as it sounds tinnish - sorry to geek out I’ll hang up and listen.
 
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Ransan

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Hey Jon,

The General Discussion thread on compliments made me realize I had not made a visit over here!

As a well known pro what is your take on receiving praise from other drummers?

Does it get old? Does it tend to generate a static internal response for you or does it remain a fresh experience each time?

It seems it would be hard to be 'present' after a certain point.

Hope you know that the drumming geeks in my circle that used to cluster about fm radios trying to tune in the Dr. Demento Show from a thousand plus miles away always felt the humor of Al's work through the filter of your accuracy of feel and composition...the irony reaching 'Saturday Night Live' type heights because the possibility was real that Al was working with Rodger Taylor on 'Another One Rides The Bus'!
You brought conversation to the idea of 'feel' that we 8th graders had not delved into.
Thanks for that!
Yep for me it was either Saturday cartoons or early starts get in the car with the family and go to either Pampa or Amarillo, on the way hearing Dr. D on the Amarillo college station 89.9 until the program ended at 10 a.m.
 

bermuda

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Also what splash are you using on “Gump”?
My notes say it was a 14" Zilco, so I re-listened and I'd say that's correct. Also, my notes were made in the studio once gear was selected for each song, so the notes would be correct. I think it was from a pair of old '40/50s hats. :)
 

Ransan

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My notes say it was a 14" Zilco, so I re-listened and I'd say that's correct. Also, my notes were made in the studio once gear was selected for each song, so the notes would be correct. I think it was from a pair of old '40/50s hats. :)
Man o man that’s great!
Thank you Bermuda you nailed the doubles on the kick and what a fun song to play!
I was way off base, y’all’s music vid shows a smaller splash cymbal in diameter, but I understand aesthetics, which fooled me.
🙏
 

bermuda

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Man o man that’s great!
Thank you Bermuda you nailed the doubles on the kick and what a fun song to play!
I was way off base, y’all’s music vid shows a smaller splash cymbal in diameter, but I understand aesthetics, which fooled me.
🙏
Thanks, I always enjoyed playing that one live! Also, nothing in the video was mine. Those were cheap drums intended to eventually wind up in the fountain. :)
 
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