This and one other forum that I participate in, are such a blessing. I've learned a lot from everyone here. I've recently learned how to play Dbl. and triple stroke rolls. Now I know that might seem odd, since I've been playing for 44 yrs. I've always thought bouncing the stick, wasn't really playing. I thought you had to actually play every note, or you really wasn't playing it. Kind of dumb huh? I think the open close technique, is what made me realize how to play these rolls. It was the triple that I learned first. I bounced the 2nd note and closed my fingers to play the 3 rd note. I've been able to use this technique on my ride also, playing 3 and 4 notes. Open, bounce, bounce, close. I've also been working on using my finger tips to play singles. like the metal guys, playing blast beats on their snare drums. Nothing is really moving but your fingers. Some of the jazz drummers I've watched have really influenced me also. Continuous release, swivel, heel toe, technique. These are all starting to become a reality also. Not to blow my own horn, but I've always been a good heal up player, playing quick Dbls. and all. I grew up playing, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, and stuff like that. Learning these techniques has really got excited, and inspired. I want to share my joy, and say thank you to all the posters on here. From the kids all the way up to the pros. By the way, some of the kids just blow my mind. Thank you all.