Cobham is a fusion MONSTER! But he started out professionally playing in jazz bands, including Horace Silver and Miles Davis. I've never heard him rock out though.I think Billy Cobham could do a good job sitting in for Bonham.
I think Billy Cobham could do a good job sitting in for Bonham.
Cobham could do a good job sitting in for God. (No disrespect to the Almighty.)
I think I know what you mean on the point of Vinny's rigidity. I'd describe it more as precision. His grooves have a military character, full of unbending urgency. His sound can seem stiff at times, but I'd wager that's intentional. To me, he's better than his brother, Carmine, but that debate could get emotional for some (especially for Carmine).
No to Weckl. No to Cobham. He may be a monster but he isn’t as smooth as Bonham was. No to Appice. What about Aynsley Dunbar? He clearly has the chops having spent many years with Zappa. And he can clearly rock out.
Yeah, I guess. I'm not knocking his technical prowess, that guy guy can obviously play. And its not like he takes away from the songs. But its like, I was listening to Heaven and Hell (the Dio Black Sabbath reunion band, not the album/song, although they did play those too) and everything Vinny drummed on that Bill Ward originally drummed on was just a marked difference in flow and feel.
Considering that Cozy died in the late 90's, Zeppelin could have carried on in the 80's with him. He was done with Rainbow by that point and it would have been a killer gig.
Funny, I agree with you about Weckl and Cobham, but for the opposite reason.
I think they are too smooth lol.
Everyone's view is valid.
I tend to leave Zeppelin where it is. So I don't really entertain thoughts on who would be a good replacement for John Bonham. Although I think back in my youth I would've thought Carmine Appice would be a good choice - they both came up in the same era, and even played the same drums then. He studied some jazz and could have quite a bit of finesse when the time came. But it wouldn't have been Zeppelin at that point. There's so many other factors other than how the guy plays drums that affect a group. Even Zack Starkey isn't Keith Moon. I think Zeppelin was smart to call it quits after John died. The family angle of having Jason play the O2 concert was a nice move, and they knew it. There are a handful of groups that wouldn't be the same with other people, and Zeppelin is at the top of that list. So I'll just enjoy the albums we did get from them and let it go.
We may never see Rush go out with someone else, and imagine if the Police had someone other than Copeland? I thought Toto shouldn't have replaced Jeff, but when they came out with Simon (who is on the other side of the spectrum), they became a slightly different band, which was cool. And now Toto with Shannon Larkin is leaning back towards to Jeff - but Toto's head space is different - they all grew up in L.A., fighting it out in the studio scene, so they're used to having access to the best players. Actual bands are different.Yeah, as fun as our academic discussion of potential replacements has been, I can't imagine Zeppelin with any other drummer. Apparently, the band couldn't either.
We may never see Rush go out with someone else, and imagine if the Police had someone other than Copeland? I thought Toto shouldn't have replaced Jeff, but when they came out with Simon (who is on the other side of the spectrum), they became a slightly different band, which was cool. And now Toto with Shannon Larkin is leaning back towards to Jeff - but Toto's head space is different - they all grew up in L.A., fighting it out in the studio scene, so they're used to having access to the best players. Actual bands are different.
Of the iconic names you mention, my gut tells me that a Police reunion without Copeland would be the most egregious atrocity. His acrobatic hi-hat tactics and ear-cracking snare formed the very lifeline of the Police. I can't believe I'm writing this, but he seems harder to replace than Peart.
Toto, a phenomenal ensemble of talent, always struck me as more of a formally assembled studio band. As great as Jeff was, a lot of guys can fill his shoes.
what? With all due respect to Copeland, I don’t think fans were going to police concerts and air drumming his parts.
For sure Copeland is irreplaceable but Peart is on another level.
.....As great as Jeff was, a lot of guys can fill his shoes.
Exactly what Robert Plant stated in a 1982 interview (link below quote):I tend to leave Zeppelin where it is. So I don't really entertain thoughts on who would be a good replacement for John Bonham. Although I think back in my youth I would've thought Carmine Appice would be a good choice - they both came up in the same era, and even played the same drums then. He studied some jazz and could have quite a bit of finesse when the time came. But it wouldn't have been Zeppelin at that point. There's so many other factors other than how the guy plays drums that affect a group. Even Zack Starkey isn't Keith Moon. I think Zeppelin was smart to call it quits after John died. The family angle of having Jason play the O2 concert was a nice move, and they knew it. There are a handful of groups that wouldn't be the same with other people, and Zeppelin is at the top of that list. So I'll just enjoy the albums we did get from them and let it go.