I borrowed the pic from another thread on here.Hey PPGuy,
Where did you get the spreadsheet you pasted in your thread ?
Did you include the section that states made by Taye ?
I have never heard that Taye was OEM for Gretsch's offshore lines before.
I am not doubting it, just never saw it in writing before.
I didn't. Could you break it down for me?Poplar is liked by many people.
Wondering if anyone will get the terrible pun/joke,
Lots to think about there (didn't quote the whole thing..well cuz there was so much there, and it's right there).Wood used in drums rarely has anything to do with the tone of the drums.... I know .... I know there is all types of Marketing hype out there concerning wooden drum materials and how they sound...
... and produce good sounding drums.
You're correct to point out that lamination diminishes differences in tonal influence between wood species, and also that physical attributes are far more important than wood species in delivering a quality instrument performance, but your assertion that wood species choice has little or no influence on tonal delivery in all cases is floored.in reality the type of material chosen to make drum shells has little to do with drum sound.
What happens when we glue various lamination's of wood plies together?
This is a great example/way of explaining it. I've seen/heard a side-by-side comparison of JBL PA speakers. One genuine JBL, the other a clone box (particle board) loaded w/ identical JBL components. Same dimensions and covering. The clone sounded ok until the real JBL was turned on. Night and day difference. If I remember correctly, the JBL box was birch. Up until then, I had always (and wrongly) thought, "a box is just a box."Drum shells, or more accurately, the entire instrument construction (including shell mass / hardness / rigidity), can significantly contribute to the resultant sound by resonance influence of the heads, in much the same way the materials (not just the structure / shape) of a speaker enclosure can influence the sound of a speaker.
Funny about the grain and color of Poplar, for drums. It may not be the best looking for the exterior ply, but I use it a lot for picture frames and other things in my woodworking. I can also say the Poplar I buy is much harder than some other Poplar that is very soft.Man, there are a lot of theories in this thread.
Poplar is a hardwood, but at the softer end of the hardness scale. It is softer than mahogany. Sound-wise, that means plenty of low end, but minimal high end attack, giving it a warm, mellow sound with limited projection and definition. So yes, some ply shells have a poplar core to help provide that "vintage" sound.
Poplar is known as a utility hardwood. It's inexpensive, plentiful, and easy to work with. The biggest downside for drums, besides the limited tonal range, is that it's really not pretty. It generally has a grayish-tan color with greenish streaks and looks overall like something that has been dragged through a swamp and then dried. Stain can't rescue it, IMO.
I use poplar for prototype builds and tests of tooling setups. To my taste, it doesn't have the tonal range to make it useful as a solid wood, and I don't like mixing species (which to my ear is a compromise of tonal clarity rather than a best-of-both end result). But for those using low-frequency inner cores like luaun, gum, basswood, etc., poplar can be a good choice.
I guess it depends what you are looking for. But particle board for identical speaker enclosures will result less loss of low end. But it is heavy and doesnt hold up to being bounced around as well as (birch) plywood.This is a great example/way of explaining it. I've seen/heard a side-by-side comparison of JBL PA speakers. One genuine JBL, the other a clone box (particle board) loaded w/ identical JBL components. Same dimensions and covering. The clone sounded ok until the real JBL was turned on. Night and day difference. If I remember correctly, the JBL box was birch. Up until then, I had always (and wrongly) thought, "a box is just a box."
+1I have a poster on the wall of my studio that says, "Your ear is the only endorsee that matters."
I get it...some woods are better quality than others. But the bottom line is how does it sound to your ear?
I choose the mahogany shelled Gretsch because I wanted the harder, brighter wood to get the sound I was after.
Some want a warmer tone & this is where the softer stuff suffices.
Sit and play as many different kits as you can. You might be surprised by what you hear.
I had read that it was because Poplar was cheaper, but didn't have a good appearance.Who knows the initial reason? It might have been to same money, but...
Sounds petty nice, no?
Stratocasters have historically been made with alder and ash. Which Strats are made of poplar? As far as I can tell they only used poplar bodies when they couldn't get alder in the early 90s. My '96 USA Lonestar Strat has an alder body.Another thought about poplar as a tone wood: Fender strats are commonly made of poplar (tulip poplar, not any of the real poplar species).