A slightly different solution is the Live BPM app, which listens and graphs the tempo as you play. If they practise to that, they can see when they sped up and slowed down.
LOL I play with my church choir a lot. They do well to sing somewhere near pitch, never mind keeping good time. Our choir director is hard enough on them already.A slightly different solution is the Live BPM app, which listens and graphs the tempo as you play. If they practise to that, they can see when they sped up and slowed down.
That's the thing, I'm not sure there's any other way to learn it. Perception of time when playing with people is actually really complex-- while you're trying to match 2+ guys' effed up rhythm, they're all individually trying to match you matching them.it’s got to be better than just learning it totally on the gig.
I'm still skeptical that that would be an effective way to practice just with a metronome pulse, rather than a crappily-executed line of music. But I guess there's some desperation with situations like this-- you try a lot of different things to make them work, and they never do, but you learn something in trying. Usually it's just this is unfixable, I need to play with better people. If you get too into covering for bad players it starts messing with your playing-- and other good players' perception of your playing.But there’s a different level of mastery beyond just being able to play a specific piece of music to a steady beat. I feel like an app like this could be a bridge. Especially if the volume would also randomly go up and down, just like when you’re playing in a room where you can barely hear the other players, and/or if they play more quietly when they get to a part they can’t play as well.
I think this really gets to the heart of it. Earlier in this thread, someone else also made the point that the inconsistencies are probably not totally random (unless the other musicians can't really keep a steady pulse at all.) For example, if they're getting excited and speeding up in the chorus, I would call attention to that and suggest we work on fixing it as a band, maybe by playing with a click track, as suggested above.In situations like this it's easier to address consistent inconsistencies than it is to fix inconsistent inconsistencies.
Some might do that, but there are also players that nearly always push in one direction. So if you always adjust to their slowing down you'll end up at 1 bpm eventually. I don't think it's a necessary skill to train.This is exactly what bad players do, rush and drag randomly.
i like this. We could start a list.In another thread about songs with bad time I realized that instead of a bad metronome app, perhaps a list of songs with bad tempo and just play along to those?
It was when I was thinking about my home rehearsals to the song Pride and Joy and how I struggle with staying on it that I realized what you're asking for already exists!