INSTAGRAM / YOUTUBE DRUMMING CULTURE: LOVE IT? HATE IT? WHY?

oldskoolsoul

Silver Member
*……..In the meantime trying to see where i accused anyone of speaking about durbs….lol…..*

Only said i completely agree with him..

Anyway, except the term “selfie-slut”, definitely not posted by durbs btw, i see no “blatant misogyny” in this thread untill now..

There are other threads on the forum with better examples regarding that..
 

Seafroggys

Silver Member
Regardless of the gender of the player, isn't drumming supposed to be entertainment? Or is it only permissible to be educating when making a yt or instagram video?

So the talent or drummer is looking in the camera and dressed like a rockstar; isn't that the point of all this? You people have a lot of strange rules a lot of the time.
Yeah, I'm wondering why it matters so much. It's like singers who sing into cameras on American Idol. Or fuck, music videos even. Why is that not weird? People have been performing into cameras for DECADES.

And actually, you know what? I'm gonna call some people out. Can I have some examples of female drummers who spend most of the time looking at cameras? Because honestly, even the women that people tend to blast here on DW, they generally don't look at the camera much at all.

I feel this is just a big strawman.
 

oldskoolsoul

Silver Member
Well, since you asked, only a few minutes search came up with this..

Btw, to be clear, i am not caring that much…..actually, couldnt care less….just agreed with durbs……lol…

Besides that, there are as many guys too who act like this..

I am also not judging them, since everyone is free to make whatever drumming video they like..

But i cant really look at “entertainment” like this..





 

s1212z

Well-known member
Showmanship has been in drumming since the beginning, it helps get a non-drummer’s attention. If you have assets like cuteness, youth, humor, sex appeal...it gathers attention, this is just universal human behavior. Intelligent content requires audience effort and likely less subs/likes. Art and entertainment overlap and separate.

I think the musician of today needs many peripheral skills more than ever, not just the art of your craft and which is art as well. The YT medium is interesting, it is probably sustaining more music careers than music itself now a days.
 

GeoB

Gold Member
Right, so I'm a bit conflicted on this... On the one hand, it's big platforms like this which can help spread the good word about drumming. These platforms also provide for great educational resources, etc. However, thanks to these platforms, I think playing drums can become a popularity contest, and chops and speed, can become the markers of great drumming.

As a self-employed drummer, I'm a firm believer that education is super important (I teach a lot, and love doing so), so I'm happy about it... Yet, I also record remotely for people all over world, and believe the most important things for drummers are musicality, good time and feel (of course, good sound, etc is implied here).

Where do you stand on this?
 

GeoB

Gold Member
Right, so I'm a bit conflicted on this... On the one hand, it's big platforms like this which can help spread the good word about drumming. These platforms also provide for great educational resources, etc. However, thanks to these platforms, I think playing drums can become a popularity contest, and chops and speed, can become the markers of great drumming.

As a self-employed drummer, I'm a firm believer that education is super important (I teach a lot, and love doing so), so I'm happy about it... Yet, I also record remotely for people all over world, and believe the most important things for drummers are musicality, good time and feel (of course, good sound, etc is implied here).

Where do you stand on this?
YT is a tool. It helps me work through the moguls.
 

toddmc

Gold Member
And actually, you know what? I'm gonna call some people out. Can I have some examples of female drummers who spend most of the time looking at cameras? Because honestly, even the women that people tend to blast here on DW, they generally don't look at the camera much at all.
Off the top of my head, Meytal Cohen is probably the biggest "offender" in this regard.

And I agree with @oldskoolsoul , I also find it annoying mostly because it feels like she's pandering directly to the audience instead of concentrating on the performance.

And no, that doesn't make her a "selfie-slut"/ bad drummer/ horrible person, etc (her videos are awesome), it's just a mildly annoying thing she does while playing 🤷‍♂️
 

Seafroggys

Silver Member
Meytal Cohen doesn't look at the camera though (unless she does things differently now, I know 8 years ago or so when she was the hottest shit I never saw a video of her where she looked at the camera for more than like a second)

As far as the examples oldskoolsoul posted, I do have to give him credit. I'm not on Instagram, so there's a whole avenue of drummers I'm not exposed to. *But* as far as youtube goes, there's very few, if any, drummers that look at the camera while they play, or at least for large chunks of their videos.
 

toddmc

Gold Member
Meytal Cohen doesn't look at the camera though (unless she does things differently now, I know 8 years ago or so when she was the hottest shit I never saw a video of her where she looked at the camera for more than like a second)
In this video (early on in her Youtube career) she has the temerity to look at the camera TWICE at 1:37 AND 2.58 (how DARE she)?? 😅😅

 

Seafroggys

Silver Member
Yeah remember that's not what we're talking about. What the others were taking about were how these women social media drummers just stare at the camera while they're playing because they're making it all about them and yadayada and it's pretty much bullshit.

I look at my camera in my drum videos occasionally, but no one calls me a selfie slut.
 

organworthyplayer337

Well-known member
If a girl wants to dress a certain way or look into the camera while playing the drums, she can do that. If it makes you uncomfortable/upset/angry, that is a you problem.

Most of the girls I’ve seen do that also play like absolute beasts.

Guys get fresh cuts and fades, and play shirtless while making the dumbest faces into the camera... I wouldn’t call them a “slut” or anything close.

Also, the use of the term “slut” is fairly symptomatic of some misogyny but that’s all I’ll say about that. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Being a girl in the music industry, you constantly hit these “pockets” of old crotchety misogynists, ESPECIALLY here on forums. These are (unfortunately) “male-dominanted” areas, and the best thing I’ve learned to do is take note of it and move on. Chances are these “sluts” play circles around most of us here.
 

Cmdr. Ross

Silver Member
In this video (early on in her Youtube career) she has the temerity to look at the camera TWICE at 1:37 AND 2.58 (how DARE she)?? 😅😅

I followed her for a good minute early on and what had me bail wasn't her dress, 4th wall breaking or even her set up. It was her lack of playing with other people.
Sometimes she'd not finish a song (for whatever reason) and then move on to the next video.

So I didn't really understand what her reasons for making the videos were. Over my time following her, it seems she got a DW endorsement at some point as she went from DC Drums to them. Then had a major studio upgrade after.
Yet...no band to really speak of.

So for me she exemplified the "YouTube star" with no real musical purpose other than showing off her chops & the ability to cover a song.
This is all the rage now, so I hope she can get gigs from it. But to be honest, I haven't seen much of her of late.
 

Cmdr. Ross

Silver Member
Some times I really thinks that these cultures are evolving and are future of us!
The link is for Natural Beauty Textile.
Does Natural Beauty Textiles make drumheads or did you join here just to advertise a business of yours?

I promise you that will get you bounced.
 

Seafroggys

Silver Member
I mean, if she's making a living making music, is it really that big of a deal she doesn't play live? Or with other people?

I know for me, and most of us, we get our biggest thrill playing with other musicians in front of an audience. But some people just like playing for themselves. Pianists and guitarists play solo all the time (although due to the nature of the instrument they can simultaneously provide melody and harmony, something most instruments can't do). And if she can make money by doing just that.....I mean, go her! Not my cup of tea, but whatevs.
 

drumnut87

Well-known member
i like this lass, shes only 23 and making a good go of it, shes still learning the audio side of things, but shes passionate, and enjoys what she does :) she found fame via youtube and instagram so some good comes of it :)

 

organworthyplayer337

Well-known member
i like this lass, shes only 23 and making a good go of it, shes still learning the audio side of things, but shes passionate, and enjoys what she does :) she found fame via youtube and instagram so some good comes of it :)

Yes! I've seen some of her stuff, very cool. I would've guessed she was younger than I am, didn't know she was 23.
 
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