See that's it for me the drivers seat is where it should sound the best, why compromise all you're time and effort to learn the craft to feel disappointed..
I've always wondered this as well. We live in a time where you can get a quality built 'bop' sized kit with 18" bass drum from pretty much every single major manufacturer for under $1k brand new (hell, under $700 in most cases) yet Ludwig, arguably the quintessential 'bop kit' guys outside of maybe gretsch, still do not offer a kit in these sizes in a budget to intermediate price range.Well why not consider them anyway? There’s another two inches saved .
I just looked on Ludwig’s website and you have to go pro level to even get an 18 bass. I wonder why that is. You can get 16 or 20, but no 18’s till you get to Classics and Vistas.
You arent alone on said hill.I'll die on this hill and no one will ever convince me otherwise: Good heads, good tuning, good cymbals, and good playing... The drums themselves are merely a vessel by which to transport the above factors.
Ugly and Huge, Weighs a Ton, Wrap Warps, Rim Bends ..Any color as long as it's black. Cool! just making myself a box tick list .. to convince myself of the attributes, so far it's looking good.If one is simply looking at the most bang for your buck and going into it with the understanding that good heads, tuning, and cymbals make or break your sound then there really is no other answer besides the pearl roadshow 4pc jazz kit. I know, it's an ugly low end poplar budget kit that comes with double braced hardware that weighs a ton however: 4pc proper bop sized drums, full hardware pack, the reliability of the pearl name, and all this for somewhere around $500. All of the other kits are super nice and probably capable of a wider range of tonal response and visual 'cool factor' but I'm looking at this scenario purely from a nuts and bolts point of view. The sizes of the pearl tubes and mounts, albeit ugly and huge, are widely available and easily adaptable to a number of different pieces. Add on drums are plentiful, especially if you get the plain black wrap. Also parts and hardware for these drums, both pearl brand and aftermarket, can be found anywhere from DFD to MF/GC to Amazon. This is a $500 drum kit that your grandkids could be playing. Wrap warps? Who cares, strip and paint it. Rim bends? Who cares, get a new one for $10.
I'll die on this hill and no one will ever convince me otherwise: Good heads, good tuning, good cymbals, and good playing... The drums themselves are merely a vessel by which to transport the above factors.
Totally, I understand. I was simultaneously defending my position and also yanking chain lol.I know just yank; n the chain..
The PDP Concept Maple bop actually sounds quite good. The lads at Mostly Bop Drums YouTube channel did a wonderful video demo of the kit, and very well tuned--I was surprised by how good it sounded. Very passable bop kit for under $1K. However, I do think the folks at Mostly Bop may have said that they treated the edges a bit or the inside of the shell? I know they did that to some of the lower-end kits, like Sonor AQX--maybe that was kit, not the PDP.Of the ones I had in the poll, the Tama Club Jam, the Pearl Compact Traveler, and the Pearl Roadshow appeal to me the least.
Mostly because of looks and sizes. I'm not ragging on them because I'm sure they're exactly what some people are looking for.
But those are definitely not for me.
I would like to see that!So I think my hypothetical personal bop kit would be an all-walnut ply (for getting knocked around) kit, 14x18, 8.5x12, 12x14, with 2.3mm or wood hoops, maybe with a standard Yamaha tom mount and Crosstown stands. A steambent maple snare, of course, probably 5.5x13 and probably with wood hoops. Not sure where that puts the pricing, but it's well over the $1K limit.
Hmmm. That does sounds like a nice project, though ...
JDA: I looked into an 18/14/12 set of SC Walnut-Birch drums when they first came out, but one dealer quoted me somewhere close to $1800-$2K, if I remember correctly.Tama Starclassic Walnut Birch offer a 14x18 BD -not in a configuration set-
wonder what those go for 18 with the 12/14
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Starclassic WB won't get even close.To follow up my last post: if the Starclassic Walnut-Birch could sound close to this, when tuned properly, then that would be something:
For those ready to ask, "Just get the Canopus then," the Canopus NV1 bop kits start at roughly $3600, sans a snare (just 18/14/12).