In case everyone forgot about her....

Stroman

Platinum Member
You're right, it's a "scuzzy phrase" because it refers to those of you that have to come in and show just how virtuous you are and in doing so shows how you believe women are too weak to speak up for themselves. It actually makes you the misogynist

Oh, the logical fallacies in this paragraph alone...

N E Way, I like Hannah Welton. Good drummer.

I know Bo likes to throw a controversial spin on his threads, but it seems to help get people to participate. Maybe not in the way one would hope, but at least maybe somebody who didn't know about Hannah before, does now.
 

Bozozoid

Gold Member
i didn't forget about her..when I win the lottery I'm going to interview her with questions No one would ask. It's going to be a Howard Stern interview. C'mon lottery. 😃.
 

WuHan Solo

Active Member
Did Darth come back with like 3 more active accounts ( 2 that I know of)?? No new memebr ( Since August) would call someone out like his first post on this thread, classless to the end!
Nope, I'm definitely NOT Darth. In fact, my username was intended as a parody or even as a nemesis, so to speak. I'm not allowed to say here how I feel about him, but it isn't "warm fuzzies", that's for sure. In fact, I've been on your side of your arguments with him regarding Stage Customs in the past. As I said, I've been reading this forum since the mid 2000s, so I'm very familiar with the regular players, present and past. But like many other professionals, I've strayed away from joining in here because of the atmosphere that is represented above and will gladly leave if asked (or forced). I'd like to think that I can contribute in a positive way, but sometimes it unintentionally doesn't quite come across like that.

I think that was a little different topic. But this one is also weird, because I watched the video, and it's only about drumming and Prince, it's not a dramatic documentary about her overcoming gender problems, nothing like that is even remotely mentioned, so why stir up all that using her?
Absolutely a different topic, but I thought the message was the same. Sorry if not, and to drag you into this. I too watched the video and also never once heard her talk about her plight as a woman in the business or needing anyone to stick up for her. She's obviously capable of handling herself, hence her successful career.

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toddbishop

Platinum Member
You're right, it's a "scuzzy phrase" because it refers to those of you that have to come in and show just how virtuous you are

No, I respond to obvious misogynist stuff when I see it, and it's a scuzzy phrase I've seen used a thousand times on line by incel types picking on women for being women, who don't want anyone else objecting to it. They're comfortable beating up on women, they're not comfortable dealing with men.

That you have an entire canned rant fired up says I identified you accurately. I've seen the exact same stuff a thousand times.

and in doing so shows how you believe women are too weak to speak up for themselves. It actually makes you the misogynist.

It shows nothing of the kind.

Don't believe me? Ask my 3 daughters. Or better yet, ask Dora. (@Doraemon). She makes the point very clear right here:
https://www.drummerworld.com/forums/index.php?threads/where-did-it-go.181887/post-1935753

I'm not interested in what you say they say.
 

Bo Eder

Platinum Member
I think that was a little different topic. But this one is also weird, because I watched the video, and it's only about drumming and Prince, it's not a dramatic documentary about her overcoming gender problems, nothing like that is even remotely mentioned, so why stir up all that using her?
Has anyone else bothered to watch the video btw? She's an amazing drummer, I'm glad I found this.
Perhaps that was my fault. It wasn’t my intention to bring up any of that sexist stuff, just that I remember over ten years ago when I discovered her on YouTube, a lot of people jumped on the “good for a girl” bandwagon which I never agreed with. So now after all this time when the internet went silent on her because she started working with Prince, I thought I’d bring her up again because it’s well-deserved. She tells her story of how she got the gig and that’s very cool. It was not my intention to say the interview was of her dealing with any sexism. But, if people take it that way, then obviously it’s still a problem for some people. And I don’t mind trolling that if it helps others deal with their personal issues 😉
 
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Bo Eder

Platinum Member
If that is the case, then I sincerely apologize to you for misreading it. As @Stroman said, you can certainly inject some controversy into a thread and I took it as the case again this time. I didn't see any other reason for bringing up the "sexist stuff" other than to troll, and again I apologize if I was wrong <that happens a lot.

I extend that apology to the rest of the members of the forum reading this................with, of course, one exception.
That's the fun of the internet. Since "tone" and "facial expression" are absent, the reader is left with his/her own feelings on how to interpret what was said. Part of me is trolling just because I know that this is what happens, so I almost can say, "well, you decided if I was trolling or not, so it's not my fault you're upset" , but I really just wanted to bring up Hannah again because we haven't spoken about her for years now (especially since she started working with Prince), and I think she's a really good player who deserves to be who she is. I've read interviews from past Prince band members and they all generally said he was a good guy to work for, but it was hard work. Wendy Melvoin spoke about rehearsing for 10-12 hours a day and really getting the music and the choreography right, and in their case, it worked. So I would think stepping in to work with the purple guy is not a walk in the park for anybody. So to be good enough is one thing, then to have the temperament to deal with everything else that doesn't involve playing the music, seems like a whole other ball of string to deal with. So kudos to Mrs. Welton!

EDIT: you'd think she'd have gotten more coverage about this, then, say, all the videos and drama about who would replace Mike Portnoy in Dream Theater..... ;)
 

Bozozoid

Gold Member
Now that you mention it I'm thinking hmm?..all the Prince drummers that exited for whatever reason just sorta faded away. I'm thinking of as many as I know and they just fell off the earth. This makes me think that the 🌎 might just be flat. Prince drummers just takin a walk..sippin a coke thinking about a next move when all of a sudden..hey..where is such and such. Hannah!..can you hear! us...were going for help!..stay put!. Hannah!?...oh Shi-. This ain't good boys.
 

Push pull stroke

Platinum Member
I wasn’t aware of her until this thread; great drummer. And she gave birth to her fourth child this week, so congrats. Finding time for regular drumming with a young family can be tough!

I have about a 10-minute window once I start grooving before my 2-year-old comes downstairs and interrupts me. All my kids have been like that.
 
You're right, it's a "scuzzy phrase" because it refers to those of you that have to come in and show just how virtuous you are and in doing so shows how you believe women are too weak to speak up for themselves. It actually makes you the misogynist.
Women are more than capable of speaking up for themselves, as they have been on a regular basis especially in the last few years. And when someone does speak out against sexism, you can consider me their ally. If that makes me a "white knight" to you then so be it. Granted that wasn't quite the case this time, I was merely giving my opinion on the subject matter presented at the beginning of the thread, as well as my own experience on social media relating to it. I really meant no harm, nor did I want to stir up any drama.

Lol, so you decide what her story is about - instead of listening to it. 🧐
Hannah said in this interview that "there are misogynists everywhere in the music industry", do you really think she isn't speaking from experience there? I think it's naive to think that having to deal with those kinds of people wasn't something she had to go through in her career. Obviously I don't know Hannah, I can't speak for her, so that's really as much as I have to say with regards to that aspect of her "story".

Has anyone else bothered to watch the video btw? She's an amazing drummer, I'm glad I found this.
Yes, it's incredible! I hope if this thread continues to get attention, it might at least result in more people watching Hannah's Drumeo vid.
 

Ryan Culberson

Well-known Member
@Drummerrobin, nobody in this thread is being naive and nobody has said Hannah Welton hasn’t faced the struggles of being a woman in the industry. Why can’t someone just say that Hannah is an amazing drummer?

Solo wasn’t even addressing Hannah in his post. He was commenting on the OP, who has now freely admitted to trolling (and enjoying it), not only on this thread, but in general. He (Solo) predicted what would happen, and as sure as the sun rises and sets, it happened.

Again, Hannah Welton is an amazing, world class drummer, PERIOD. That should be the point of this thread. FFS… 🙄
 
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