I needed some brass for my new/old Slingerland set, recently picked up. I hunted the 'bay and grabbed a 20" A Zildjian medium ride and a 17" thin crash. They showed up yesterday. Beautieful sound and a nice patina. I'm quite happy with them. Today, a set of 70s 14" hats should show. I hope my luck continues! I'll have all 3 for less than a set of new hats. Used cymbals are a great deal, IMO.