If chops matter then, why are Ringo and Lars
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Chris Whitten
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My book is going to be photographs.
2 hit wonder
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Nepotism isn't just someone's relative buying them a potential kick start to a career.
Ringo was about the luckiest drummer ever. Did he plan to be alive at a certain time and reside in the same town with what would become some of the highest regarded song writers in (add noun of relevance), a band which rose to the pinnacle of stardom? Had he never gotten sick there wouldn't have been drums in his life. Luck or fate play heavily on and on and on. The Beatles was a stars align moment.
Ringo was about the luckiest drummer ever. Did he plan to be alive at a certain time and reside in the same town with what would become some of the highest regarded song writers in (add noun of relevance), a band which rose to the pinnacle of stardom? Had he never gotten sick there wouldn't have been drums in his life. Luck or fate play heavily on and on and on. The Beatles was a stars align moment.
Chris Whitten
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But Pete Best was there first. Did 'back luck' see him get replaced?
I used to play golf with my dad at around 10 years old. I never turned into a successful pro. That wasn't good or bad luck. I picked up a pair of drum sticks at 11 and golf faded into the background as a passion.
I used to play golf with my dad at around 10 years old. I never turned into a successful pro. That wasn't good or bad luck. I picked up a pair of drum sticks at 11 and golf faded into the background as a passion.
2 hit wonder
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You helped prove my point.
Sounds like you were lucky to have a father in your life too.
Push pull stroke
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But to be fair, a boy’s chances of growing up to be a pro in a specific sport go up by about 500x if his father is also a pro in that sport. How much of that is genetics? I’d guess 50%.
Not that I’d want to be a pro athlete, except maybe golf. Athletes have short careers, and most pro sports are hard on your body.
2 hit wonder
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A golf pro is an excellent choice in career. At a club level even.
doggyd69b
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Why did the producer of Metallica's St Anger decided to use that awful snare? it is otherwise not a bad record as proven by people actually remixing it with a good snare.... That is one decision I will never understand..
Chris Whitten
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I wasn't think about the odds of success when I was 10 or 11. My point was about the conscious choice to put more time into drumming because it was something I was more passionate about.
Everyone on the planet has good and bad luck on a weekly basis. There is an element of fortune in every choice you make, a good choice or a bad one, but IMO that is still diminished in impact by your passion and determination to achieve something.
The Beatles replaced Best with Starr not down to luck. They were ambitious lads and wanted the drummer in the band to be the best drummer they could find. Ringo was older and didn't look as good as the other three, but he was chosen based on his playing ability and the fact his character fitted in to the group dynamic.
2 hit wonder
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Keep telling yourself that stuff. Did he decide when to be alive? Did he know where to grow up? Did he get sick and someone brought him a drum to help his mental and physical health?
On and on. It was Pete's job to lose and he lost it.
My relative made several million dollars in less than 2 years but if she had been a male that opportunity wouldn't have been hers. She got personally involved with someone who decided to offer her a partnership in a business venture.
Now she happens to be degreed in computer science with 15 years or so of experience.
What was the bigger cause of how she left her company and got rich? Experience, or a love affair with someone leaving to start up a company?
Both paths had financial comfort. One let her retire way early.
On and on. It was Pete's job to lose and he lost it.
My relative made several million dollars in less than 2 years but if she had been a male that opportunity wouldn't have been hers. She got personally involved with someone who decided to offer her a partnership in a business venture.
Now she happens to be degreed in computer science with 15 years or so of experience.
What was the bigger cause of how she left her company and got rich? Experience, or a love affair with someone leaving to start up a company?
Both paths had financial comfort. One let her retire way early.
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Chris Whitten
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So no luck involved then?
Because it happened once doesn't make it a rule. Steve Jobs took a risk and followed his passion, his success wasn't because of a relationship with a woman.
Cmdr. Ross
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My understanding is the snare wires dropped off the head somehow & the engineer just left it. Thought it sounded good (or at least different) and just never fixed it. Much like how the bass drums on ...Justice sound "clicky" rather than like a drum. A choice was made & they just rolled with it.
doggyd69b
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Who in their right mind thought that sounded remotely good? That is a producer I would never work with again...
2 hit wonder
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Good luck was involved. And we weren't there so we rely on back story accounts, which also conflict. I heard that Paul picked Pete.
Pete is one of the luckiest guys in music, still. His luck was good by being available when they needed a drummer in a rush. Despite not spending enough time developing, he still got something that the rest of us wish we had. He was unfortunate by not being talented or developed enough to keep the job when the machine came knocking.
He's still world famous. He has the Beatles on his resume and did get a windfall despite being an allegedly poor drummer for the rest of his life. Was Pete's drumming responsible for their later success and climb to the top?
Picking back up your reply, Chris:
Steve was gifted an IQ and business acumen that isn't ordinary. He was born at the right time and went to the right region of 1 the possible countries where he was nurtured and watched over. His adoption story in interesting. In Tech, his story happens every day at a smaller level of success. Because the big startups were the first ones.
You're trying very hard to pretend not to see the obvious. That's why your statements get blow back in these discussions.
The relatives story is common and happens all the time, especially in the Tech industry. They're called emerging technologies for a reason.
My relative's husband had a plan for leaving the company to do a startup. He likes females and she is attractive, so she got invited when they started a personal relationship and he was ready to go.
What did Johnny Carson's wives have to do with his success and their huge financial windfalls in the divorces? My relative didn't have a company startup plan. Johnny's wives married Johnny.
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Cmdr. Ross
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Unless the band thought it sounded "cool" & he was a hero.
I for one would be mad, but it is what it is.
doggyd69b
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"When I moved to London and didn't know anyone, I was about a week away from being assigned a labourer job by the local employment office when I got a gig playing at a local dance hall. "
That sounds like luck to me...
2 hit wonder
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He was fortunate enough to be born at the right time living in the right area after surviving an illness at which time he was introduced to drums for therapy. After becoming a drummer he was involved in an area wherein world renowned song writers-to-be would develop and were located while working with an allegely bad drummer in their fledgling era.
We've probably all walked into multiple situations where we looked even better for our abilities for having followed poor workers, mates or performers.
toddbishop
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About time somebody tackled the Ringo Starr question.