I miss Pollyanna

boomstick

Silver Member
This thread is whack. SHUT IT DOWN! Close it up, whatever. Im so tired of looking on here and seeing garbage like this.
Disagree. I think it's quite interesting.

If this thread and the one it is referring to (A prequel if you will) were movies I would have to give them 2 thumbs and 2 big toes down! Atleast I did not have to pay $8 for my popcorn though.
Ah, but these threads are full of conflict, which, I guarantee, is a primary ingredient in all your favorite movies.

...the participants change but the story line is exactly the same.
Now that sounds like you're talking about movies.
 

Sopranos

Senior Member
Some have the mental dicipline to detatch, others don't. A mirror of the wide variety of characters we all encounter. I'm in the latter catagory. I think the ability to see a forum such as DW for what it is, is, at least in part, dependent on age and forum familiarity. Those who are brought up on a cyber diet probably have a more realistic "arms length" view of the media, whereas those to whom a forum is merely an extended socialising means, act according to their default character, whatever that may be. A generalisation I know, but probably not far short of the truth.

And then there are just the small percentage of antagonistic idiots;


Sopranos Re: I miss Pollyanna
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Ah, screw it - you all suck at drumming and your technique is some of the worst I've seen.

I'm the best.... deal with it.

(you wish I was kidding;)



Ah, screw it, sometimes I suck at drumming and my technique is way away from inspirational but I rocked the house down last night, got 6 encores, got paid a ton of money, was treated like a king, had 600 people dancing the night away from the first number and got just the greatest buzz with my band mates.

(you wish I was kidding) KIS.
Antagonistic idiot? HAHAHA!

I'm glad to see that you took it personal... further demonstrates your weakness. Maybe I should have just offered you a hug? Get real.... take a joke or go wait in the car. Do your band mates have to be extra sensitive around you or do you have to carry tissues in your stick bag?

I thought I would lighten up a rather hostile debate with a smartass remark - forgot there were those who take it to heart.... haha. Try to relax a little bud.
 

JPW

Silver Member
The sad truth is that most drummers are males and this thread (and many others) stink of testosterone. Alpha males... I hate them... because deep inside me I have a little girl who cries easily and alphas can smell it from far far away. Every discussion just has to be derailed into a competition. And if nothing else works then starts the peronal insults and laughter about how someone is weak and needs to relax. Gives me the nerd rage everytime.
 

JPW

Silver Member
Standards are like cheese, don't really like them but used sparingly between the sandwich it's ok.
 

VedranS

Senior Member
The sad truth is that most drummers are males and this thread (and many others) stink of testosterone. Alpha males... I hate them... because deep inside me I have a little girl who cries easily and alphas can smell it from far far away. Every discussion just has to be derailed into a competition. And if nothing else works then starts the peronal insults and laughter about how someone is weak and needs to relax. Gives me the nerd rage everytime.
QFT (i'm trying to use more internet lingo for the new year). Aggressive people suck. Not to stereotype, but in America especially there seems to be a higher proportion of the competitive, aggressive type compared to other countries. This seems weird, since we're supposedly one of the more advanced nations, at least as far as standard of living and technology are concerned but there's such an anti-intellectual caveman mentality that it's disgusting.
 

Average

Senior Member
Some have the mental dicipline to detatch, others don't. A mirror of the wide variety of characters we all encounter. I'm in the latter catagory. I think the ability to see a forum such as DW for what it is, is, at least in part, dependent on age and forum familiarity. Those who are brought up on a cyber diet probably have a more realistic "arms length" view of the media, whereas those to whom a forum is merely an extended socialising means, act according to their default character, whatever that may be. A generalisation I know, but probably not far short of the truth.

And then there are just the small percentage of antagonistic idiots;


Sopranos Re: I miss Pollyanna
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Ah, screw it - you all suck at drumming and your technique is some of the worst I've seen.

I'm the best.... deal with it.

(you wish I was kidding;)



Ah, screw it, sometimes I suck at drumming and my technique is way away from inspirational but I rocked the house down last night, got 6 encores, got paid a ton of money, was treated like a king, had 600 people dancing the night away from the first number and got just the greatest buzz with my band mates.

(you wish I was kidding) KIS.

You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. You ask for a respectful dialogue without personal insults but then you drop them like rabbit pellets whenever it suits you. I can't be the only person who saw that Sopranos' post was meant to be humorous. Have we gotten so serious about ourselves that we can't take a joke? WTF? I'm joining the call for this thread to be deleted or at least closed.

And BTW - good job on getting the new gigs. Always nice to have people put their money where their mouth is and pay you to play.
 
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wy yung

Guest
Michael is correct, people make friends here. I am very pleased to say that Pol has become a great friend of mine. She even came with me to a student of mine's house for Christmas day. The posters here are not mechanical machines, they are people.

The Money beat thread was good until some thought it about themselves. My purpose for posting on the thread was to attempt to let younger people know that sometimes one must sacrifice personal choice in order to contribute something that is better for the whole. Often this contribution is the money beat and there is nothing wrong with that. Overplaying or being inappropriate can lose one a gig. I've been guilty of it in my youth. One tries to help but people need to make their own mistakes in order to learn.

So be it.

As for Pol? I'm surprised to see her here. She's better than how she was treated. I am very grateful she has come into my life as it is richer now than before. Good people are few and far between. When one comes along they are to be appreciated.

As for the whole drum chops machismo thing? I've seen my teacher develop the thousand yard stare after having to deal with it for too many years. He doesn't even talk anymore!


Why do we practice? So that even on our bad days we can still make good music. It's about music. Not technique. Drumming is NOT a sport. No matter how many keep trying to make it so.
 

bobdadruma

Platinum Member
Lets look at it this way. Some people are more sensitive than others. Example, You guys can insult me. I laugh it off! I have experienced many trials and tribulations in my 52 years of life. Neither Sticks, Nor Stones, Nor Name Calling will hurt me! That's Me! Im not like most people!
There are people here that are more sensitive than I!
When we are posting here we have to consider this factor. We have to show respect for each other. We have to think of this forum as if we were face to face with each other.
I don't think that many things that are said around here would be said if we were face to face!
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Everybody will never agree with everybody else on everything, so basically, given that as a "fact"...... we have to work around it.

Deleting the thread isn't the answer either.

There has to be a night and day, cold and hot, quiet and loud blah blah, and when the two meet, sparks fly!

It will always be that way, because life doesn't exist out of balance.

However, as civilized human beings, hopefully we can learn to keep the debate and the debater seperate.

Great post Wy, so much truth there
 

Andy

Administrator
Staff member
Antagonistic idiot? HAHAHA!

I'm glad to see that you took it personal... further demonstrates your weakness. Maybe I should have just offered you a hug? Get real.... take a joke or go wait in the car. Do your band mates have to be extra sensitive around you or do you have to carry tissues in your stick bag?

I thought I would lighten up a rather hostile debate with a smartass remark - forgot there were those who take it to heart.... haha. Try to relax a little bud.
I'm as much up for a joke or a smartass remark as the next person, but I got no hint of humor in your post, otherwise I would happily have gone along with it. Your (you wish I was joking) end point seemed to confirm my take rather than the wink wink I would have expected to see as confirmation of levity. I took your comment literally. Not too surprising given the standard of some posts I've seen on this forum.

Now you've confirmed you were joking, I opologise for my remark. As for weakness, I don't see the upholding of respectful comminication as a weakness.
 

Andy

Administrator
Staff member
You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. You ask for a respectful dialogue without personal insults but then you drop them like rabbit pellets whenever it suits you. I can't be the only person who saw that Sopranos' post was meant to be humorous. Have we gotten so serious about ourselves that we can't take a joke? WTF? I'm joining the call for this thread to be deleted or at least closed.

And BTW - good job on getting the new gigs. Always nice to have people put their money where their mouth is and pay you to play.
Ok, you saw the comment as a joke and accordingly, my response as puzzling. I get that. Please understand that I didn't see the comment as a joke because there was nothing to lead me in that direction other than the fact that the comment was over the top. Over the top comments delivered with sincerity aren't exactly rare here. I don't get how you see me as dropping insults like rabbit pellets. Not my style, not my intent & I certainly have no need to resort to such tactics as some sort of defense mechanism.

Thanks for the gig comments, Yup, it's great when things click into place for once.
 

brittc89

Pioneer Member
(In response to my asking to have this thread closed) Disagree. I think it's quite interesting.
Well so are fancy hats and stylish fur boas but were not on the Vogue forum. This is not music related. I dont think it belongs here.
 

Average

Senior Member
Ok, you saw the comment as a joke and accordingly, my response as puzzling. I get that. Please understand that I didn't see the comment as a joke because there was nothing to lead me in that direction other than the fact that the comment was over the top. Over the top comments delivered with sincerity aren't exactly rare here. I don't get how you see me as dropping insults like rabbit pellets. Not my style, not my intent & I certainly have no need to resort to such tactics as some sort of defense mechanism.

Thanks for the gig comments, Yup, it's great when things click into place for once.
Alright dude. You just lost ALL credibility when it comes to calling for a respectful dialogue. And everyone else on here who is whining and tearing their clothes about 'respectful comments' just lost it too. How is it that you're all so concerned about 'respectful dialogue' and you let that personal insult slip by? Very very very illuminating.
 

Andy

Administrator
Staff member
Alright dude. You just lost ALL credibility when it comes to calling for a respectful dialogue. And everyone else on here who is whining and tearing their clothes about 'respectful comments' just lost it too. How is it that you're all so concerned about 'respectful dialogue' and you let that personal insult slip by? Very very very illuminating.
What personal insult? I don't see any insult in my post, either direct or inferred, and certainly non intended. I'm very confused. My post was apologetic and offered a transparent & honest view of my take on Soprano's post. My remark on over the top comments refers to many such comments I've seen in the forum and my comment about me not needing to resort to insults as a defense mechanism is a personal statement, not a cynical suggestion that someone else needs to do so. I was accused of weakness so this was a direct reference to that. I just don't get where you see insult.
 

Average

Senior Member
What personal insult? I don't see any insult in my post, either direct or inferred, and certainly non intended.
This has to be a joke post. Seriously. You have GOT to be joking.

Here is what you wrote. I bolded the insult for you:
And then there are just the small percentage of antagonistic idiots;

Sopranos Re: I miss Pollyanna
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Ah, screw it - you all suck at drumming and your technique is some of the worst I've seen.

I'm the best.... deal with it.

(you wish I was kidding;)
Didn't catch it? Here it is again:
And then there are just the small percentage of antagonistic idiots;
One more time, just like in a Van Damme movie:
And then there are just the small percentage of antagonistic idiots;
And if you didn't know that you were insulting him by calling him an antagonistic idiot, why did you apologize to him in post #112? Here it is, for the record:
Now you've confirmed you were joking, I opologise for my remark.
Come on dude. This is just silliness. If you are going to call for everyone to have a respectful discussion, lead by example.
I suppose the politeness cops will be reporting your post to the moderators?
 
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Pollyanna

Platinum Member
Maybe the disrespectful-sounding comments tend to be through frustration?

Average was frustrated by comments that he thought suggested that skill was not being paid its due.

KIS was frustrated at an enjoyable thread being derailed by ill will. Jokes come in a few varieties - those that laugh with others and those that laugh at others.

Britt is frustrated that the thread lacks musical discussion content and is dealing more with "administration" (ie. rules of engagement).

It's pretty clear where you're all coming from and our differences aren't the vast chasm that they appear. No need to widen them further.

What frustrates me is when people look at music as a hierarchy. To me, putting some players on pedestals and dissing others has NOTHING to do with listening to or playing music - the act of absorbing sounds from the air and/or being part of a group of people putting sounds into the air.

Being less than thrilled by technical prowess is not sour grapes. I agree with Wy's assessment (and thatnks for the kind words, Wy - yep, some good symbiosis going on there :) Last night my brother-in-law, a fusion bassist, played me some DVDs. One was Dave Weckl and the other Denis Chambers. I enjoyed Dave W's solo - flowing legato textures interspersed with tasty rhythmic figures. With all due respect, I thought Denis's solo was just clattering around a kit and I was quickly bored.

Does that make Dave a "better" drummer than Denis? Do I place him migher on a pecking order? No. It just means I like Dave's style more, even though Denis can funk like crazy. Dave has his gigs, Denis has his. And less schooled drummers have their gigs too. I judge a drummer by how much I enjoy their music, not their chops.

Some may think that's postmodern, but postmodernism as a concept was introduced for the same reason as hierarchies were developed - to redress unbalanced thinking. The mistake is not to apply hierarchies at all or to see things as a free-for-all, but to over-emphasise one or the other.

To me, hierarchies based on technique matter a lot in the professional realm because it determines what gigs a musician gets. However, having great hands and feet does not determine the worthiness of a person's opinion about music, unless the conversation is about how one uses their hands and feet. Our musical opinions are relevant to our ears, knowledge and perception, not our limbs.

I get so bored with "better than" and "the best" and "so-and-so is not a good drummer". I'd much rather analyse what's going on to

1) learn and clarify my own approach and 2) perhaps put out some ideas that might be useful to someone else. Some of my favourite moments here are when guys like Stan, Boomka and Jazzer start dissecting things.

If, in analysing musical approaches, it looks like I'm dissing better wo/men than myself, rest assured that that's NOT the case and never has been. I'm not interested in dissing anyone, but we all have our preferences. Perhaps in more generalised musical musing threads we need a disclaimer when making statements that could be misconstrued?

Please note that none of this post is designed to disparage talented musicians or to create any disturbance to any perceived drummer hierarchy. The below is opinion only, made in good faith, and no responsibility can be taken for any disturbance of other drummers' egos, sensibilities or status, nor that of their friends, families or associates or incorporated entities to which they may be affiliated.

What is it about drummers? Would this be needed on on a bass, guitar or keyboard forum?
 
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