I’m worried that live music is over

Push pull stroke

Platinum Member
Definitely not but it's still better than nothing I guess and somewhat inspiring to see people providing ways so that at least some music can ressume.
Yeah, and I think I like small group playing better, anyway. I’ve always wanted to see what orchestras sounded like with just 1 string player on each part, but miked up, with winds and percussion unmiked.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Some experts are expecting a second wave of the virus. We'll see. I don't expect us to return to "normal", but to a new, different normal, where people will practice safer hygiene and not be willing to hug and or kiss everyone they see. Live music will survive. 4 or 5 musicians on a stage playing maybe to smaller audiences for a while until this beast has been slayed. Polio, smallpox, and others are now basically non-existent but it didn't happen overnight. We don't want 1918 all over again and I am afraid some leaders are buckeling to citizen clamor and wanting to open the world a wee bit too soon in my opinion. Keep practicing, keep the faith, and you'll be playing again. Peace. Be safe.
 

MrInsanePolack

Platinum Member
trying to quit smoking
Ben have you thought about vaping? I know there are lots of anti-vaping proponents. I traded in cigarettes for vaping like 6-7 years ago. I felt way better after about a week. No more coughing to death first thing in the morning. No more stinky clothes, hair, car, house. My teeth aren't yellow anymore. I might actually be able to run a mile if I have to.

As of now, I don't even have nicotine in my vape anymore. It's just a hand/mouth fixation at this point. Eventually I will trade that in for lollipops.

Then I started reading about Great Depression and found some 7 million Americans starved to death during that period. What??
City folk. City folk dont hunt. My grandmother was born in 1930. I saw a picture of her at 5 years old holding a fox up by the tail that she shot. It was bigger than her. So was the rifle in her other hand she used to shoot it.

I understand not liking guns. I dont understand not liking them to the point of starvation.

Interesting hunting/survival fact: You will starve to death if you only eat rabbit. It takes more calories to eat and digest a rabbit than you get from it. So you gotta get some squirrel too!
 

Push pull stroke

Platinum Member
Interesting hunting/survival fact: You will starve to death if you only eat rabbit. It takes more calories to eat and digest a rabbit than you get from it. So you gotta get some squirrel too!
It’s only winter rabbits, and it’s because they have so little fat at that time of the year. It’s the lack of fat that does it. Man can’t survive on protein alone.
 

MrInsanePolack

Platinum Member
It’s only winter rabbits, and it’s because they have so little fat at that time of the year. It’s the lack of fat that does it. Man can’t survive on protein alone.
Just did some more research, I had learned about the rabbits a long time ago. Apparently now it is considered protein poisoning. Funny how things change with time. The rabbit is so lean, the body becomes toxic from only the protein. The lack of fat and other nutrients has something to do with it. Apparently it happens with caribou also.

Rabbit is like 8% fat while beef, pork, and lamb is ~30%.
 

opentune

Platinum Member
But it might be another 8 months or more before we either have a vaccine or other therapies that work well. And even then, it would be several more months before it could be manufactured in large enough amounts to be widely available. And by that time, our culture may have changed permanently. There just may not be nearly as many gigs anymore. I mean, I REALLY will miss gigging, if that’s what happens.
I think you are underestimating people's desire for entertainment, for culture and a drive to live freely. Yes its tough times right now and challenges ahead, and this has made us re-think the workplace, public places, travel and general hygine even, but if you look at the big picture long term, people need to recreate and entertain, and we will have public entertainment again.
Plenty of raging, crazy, public gatherings years after the 1918 Spanish Flu in the 'roaring 20's'....or terrorist acts...and so on.
 

rhumbagirl

Senior Member
Regardless if live music is over, many in the music business will be wiped out from this. It's hard to care for a set of drums when you can't make ends meet. Bucket Man may have a solution here.

I don't know why they can't think of the current problem in terms of testing. China has proven that frequent testing is key to getting the economy going again, unless you're one of the conspiracy theorists that think everything China is saying is a lie. Maybe China is the next superpower where musicians who want to play live can go and make a living, as long as you're willing to wear a mask.

It's quite the paradox really. Western worlds don't want to lockdown to nip it in the bud, because they don't want to use socialist methods, so they kind of halfway do it, tearing down their economies in the process. Their capitalistic ways put a huge price on test kits and PPE, that they'd rather preserve that than find a way to mass produce and save us all. So by preserving their way of life, they kind of lose it in the long run when their economies fail. And I don't see western worlds bouncing back quite so freely. We in the US are consumers, spending money we don't have, with an economy propped up by a corrupt financial system, leveraged on bespoke tranche opportunities (aka collateralized debt obligations).
 

Push pull stroke

Platinum Member
Regardless if live music is over, many in the music business will be wiped out from this. It's hard to care for a set of drums when you can't make ends meet. Bucket Man may have a solution here.

I don't know why they can't think of the current problem in terms of testing. China has proven that frequent testing is key to getting the economy going again, unless you're one of the conspiracy theorists that think everything China is saying is a lie. Maybe China is the next superpower where musicians who want to play live can go and make a living, as long as you're willing to wear a mask.

It's quite the paradox really. Western worlds don't want to lockdown to nip it in the bud, because they don't want to use socialist methods, so they kind of halfway do it, tearing down their economies in the process. Their capitalistic ways put a huge price on test kits and PPE, that they'd rather preserve that than find a way to mass produce and save us all. So by preserving their way of life, they kind of lose it in the long run when their economies fail. And I don't see western worlds bouncing back quite so freely. We in the US are consumers, spending money we don't have, with an economy propped up by a corrupt financial system, leveraged on bespoke tranche opportunities (aka collateralized debt obligations).
Well, I don’t think we’re in quite that bad of economic condition, but everything else I 100% agree with. We still write 99% of the world’s software, and still do a lot of specialized manufacturing, and grow a lot of the world’s food.

What I suspect will happen is that the red states are going to keep the virus bouncing around by opening back up too soon, and we’ll end up with a UBI as a result of long-term business closures. Paid for by extremely high taxes on the wealthy. Permanently.
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
Jeremy Irons will tell you when the music has stopped! Great scene from Margin Call. If you don't want to watch the whole scene. Go to 4:52

 

Jeremy Bender

Platinum Member
I don't worry about live music as much as I do live drumming...
My concern is that this forced separation of musicians getting together in person has hastened the use of laptops by guys who use it to play beats on a screen instead of actual instruments.
 
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wildbill

Platinum Member
..... There is a pastor from the South who was railing against what he called the "hysteria" surrounding the virus. He went to Mardi Gras, got the coronavirus and died. You can't fix stupid. And there seems to be no shortage of immensely stupid people here in the US.
You sound like you're upset with that.
 
I'm worried that there will be so much pent up demand for big arena shows that when they finally happen again, tickets are going to be REALLY expensive. :cry:
I suspect it’ll be just the opposite: yes, people will want to go again, but fewer than before, so the demand will be lower. And for a variety of reasons, the number of people who can afford expensive tickets will be lower than ever.
 

wildbill

Platinum Member
Except for summer festivals, live music was pretty much already dead around here anyways.
The virus might have put the final nail in the coffin though.
 

MntnMan62

Junior Member
You sound like you're upset with that.
Upset about what? The pastor dying or the fact that this country has no shortage of immensely stupid people? I'm not upset about the pastor dying. He got what was coming to him. As for immensely stupid people, I don't care so much about them until their existence starts to impact my existence. Then, yes, I got a problem.
 

Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX

Well-known member
And if it’s over, I’m going to feel really stupid for spending this much time and money on my music education, instruments, etc.
eduction of any sort is never a waste of time!!! And, all of the experience you have has applying that education has also probably taught you many other things!!!

I would feel more stupid for not pursuing the activity that I loved at that kind of level for fear of it being a waste (I almost let that happen to me...)...used talent is never a waste!!

what I hope happens is that the community will appreciate the live situation even more in the next few years...maybe realizing what they have missed
 
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