I’m getting tired of the drama in music.

DrumDoug

Senior Member
Two of the bands I play with have couples in them. One set is married and the other is dating. I am getting so tired of the arguing and bickering at gigs. Maybe I’m being over sensitive. My parents constantly argued and it might trigger me more it does most people. Even with other bands I’ve been in without couples, there is always some drama. My third band has a member with a horrible temper. He threatens to quit. He has to walk outside to cool off. Looking back on it, I don’t think I’ve ever been in a band that didn’t have at least one person who was difficult to work with, either personality or substance abuse wise. Then there’s the whole issue of the band “being on the same page”. What kind of music do we want to play. How often do we want to gig. How often to gig is getting me in trouble at the moment. I want to gig every weekend. That’s why I’m in three bands and sub with a few more. But then people are complaining that I’m not available for gigs when they try to book. I have plenty of free dates. Why do five bands need a drummer on September 28? I know all activities where people interact will have a bit of drama. I’m just getting tired of it. I want to have fun playing music, not dealing with peoples crap. Sorry, I just needed to vent.
 
I agree with you DrumDoug. Almost every band I was ever in fell apart because of the drama. In general musicians have big egos.
If you are in a band where everyone gets along and they all have fun playing, you are very lucky.

The last band I was in I was good friends with the singer. The band had been together two years. After three months of rehearsing and five gigs I get a call saying the band broke up. I said, "Gee I hope it is nothing I did". They said no. They said "we hired you because you are such a nice guy, and we were hoping that everyone in the band would get along and stop all of the drama".

I feel used.... LOL


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Marriage has arguments but it’s unprofessional to drag it into workplace. Keep that crap private - no one else cares nor our business. We can’t cast too many stones without a ricochet because we have drama here at times. LOL
 
I was in a band with a couple in the 90s, swore I'd never do that again. Guess what? The next band had a couple also, and it was the same thing all over again. I play in 2 bands and sub for a few others but not very often. I'm with you about playing every weekend as I'm retired from my day job and I'm available now in my old age, no children at home and all of that stuff.
 
I hear ya. Navigating bands is certainly tricky and fraught with challenges to say the least. When you find a (mostly) good one. Stick with it.

But realistically, think about it: Getting 4-6 individuals that have compatible musicianship levels, have similar time & commitment to using that time, have similar enough tastes in music, similar enough goals for where the band should go and have agreeable enough personalities is quite the challenge. No wonder it's hard.

I currently play in two bands. In one of them, it's a democracy - everyone has input and gets a vote. Most of my band frustrations come from this band because of the time/effort to work through issues democratically. The other band, there's a definite band leader - it's his band. I'm just the drummer and have to focus only on that. I don't pick any music, book any gigs, etc. The second band is just easier.
 
I suppose that I have been lucky that I have not been in any band that had much drama. Peace and goodwill.
 
My last band was father & son as lead guys. Mom would help out with a lot of the bookings. Surprisingly, everyone was pretty chill. No drama.

I used to be on a government tax property tax board with a married couple. They'd always bicker over the stupidest stuff. A couple times it escalated into a full scale screaming match. The county tax assessor and I just sat there feeling very embarrassed.

In my current 3-piece band the guitar player/singer is famously difficult to get along with. He's a big, mean biker with a sordid past, and a hair trigger temper. If you're his friend; however, he'd literally give you the shirt off his back if you asked him. I put up with the little hissy fits and just laugh them off. He's a good guy. Just 2 days ago, my old band asked me if I'd be willing to return. I politely declined as I'm much happier dealing with the "mean biker dude".

It just goes to show that we all have various levels of tolerance for different personality types.
 
I hear ya. Navigating bands is certainly tricky and fraught with challenges to say the least. When you find a (mostly) good one. Stick with it.

But realistically, think about it: Getting 4-6 individuals that have compatible musicianship levels, have similar time & commitment to using that time, have similar enough tastes in music, similar enough goals for where the band should go and have agreeable enough personalities is quite the challenge. No wonder it's hard.

I currently play in two bands. In one of them, it's a democracy - everyone has input and gets a vote. Most of my band frustrations come from this band because of the time/effort to work through issues democratically. The other band, there's a definite band leader - it's his band. I'm just the drummer and have to focus only on that. I don't pick any music, book any gigs, etc. The second band is just easier.

Interesting.

I've been in both types of bands (democracy and dictatorship) and did fine in each. We all like to think the democracy is the best band model, but not always. The dictatorship relieves the rest of the members from a whole lot of worry, responsibility and work. You just show up and play your drums. There's something to be said for that.

My current 3-piece started out as a dictatorship and is transitioning to a democracy as the lead guy has realized it's no fun to make all the decisions. He was actually relieved when the bass player and I decided to re-schedule practice dates and times. I'm even getting to pick songs now!
 
I was once on a praise team with a married couple. They fought a lot. However, my wife and I were on praise teams for probably close to 20 years. She plays bass and I’m on drums, and we always get along. It was great, and I look forward to doing it again one day with her.
 
Why do five bands need a drummer on September 28?
That's just sods law. Why do you wait an hour for a bus and three come along at once?
Why should a band arrange their gigging schedule to suit the drummer?
That's why I have only ever been in one band at a time and find other things to do when they aren't gigging. My advice is to find one band that gigs a lot, or maybe two bands at a push.
 
Maybe in general musicians are more emotional than 'average people'?
In an amateur setting you can let your emotions run free usually with no consequences. In a professional setting if you are difficult very quickly you will have no job and will find it very hard to find another job.
50% of being a professional is being easy going, flexible, understanding of other people's needs and basically a good guy or gal to be around.
 
People quibble in every vocation-you just don't want to be a pawn in the middle of it. You meet all types in every vocation. Funny how vocations can be stereotyped. Like the nerdy geeky science stereotypes on Big Bang Theory is non-existent in real academia. All musicians are druggies or people who can't hold a "real" job -academics get same crap as I imagine artists. Why do people create this crazy generalizations and make lots of assumptions about these careers?
 
In an amateur setting you can let your emotions run free usually with no consequences. In a professional setting if you are difficult very quickly you will have no job and will find it very hard to find another job.
50% of being a professional is being easy going, flexible, understanding of other people's needs and basically a good guy or gal to be around.
Very few people can get away with a diva attitude, the rest most follow your advice....
Actually, everyone should follow that advice. it is ok to expect good working conditions, but when musicians/other artists start to make ridiculous demands they need to be stopped before they get out of hand, otherwise they get to a point where they feel above even the law and we get to sadly see things like Will Smith slapping Chris Rock in a worldwide televised event.
Not to mention the words exchanged prior showing a conduct unbecoming of a gentleman led alone a celebrity.

I believe good communication is the way to prevent a lot of issues, but unfortunately, a lot of people (sometimes myself included) have a hard time to express what they really feel in the moment so they let it "slide", then later on, after some time to reflect, they feel that they could have handled it differently but it may be too late to rehash the situation, and now, the offender conveniently doesn't even remember what happened, and since it was not properly addressed, the chances of that happening again are high.
To prevent being put in the spot and having to respond while things already got bad, a prospective (or current) band member needs to make clear what his/her expectations are, and the band leader needs to make clear what their expectations are.
I know at a professional level contracts are signed and clauses initialed, but for the rest of us, a simple honest conversation should suffice, and if things start to drift from agreement, don't be afraid to remind them about your expectations and limits. ( I am getting much better at communicating this way and it has worked great, I have avoided a lot of conflict). I guess it has a lot to do with age and confidence level too. And with age comes also a different level of tolerance which fortunately prevents me from wasting time with unprofessional people. (Not strictly talking about musicians here, just people in general). I remember reading something (when I was around 4 or 5 years old, about you controlling your emotions and not the other way around was the way to real power. Can't remember much more of that but that stuck with me somehow). I have practiced that since, therefore, it is very hard for me to understand things like irrational fears (clowns, needles), jealousy crimes, or any other "passion" crime, or in general just losing control of your emotions to the point where you make a fool of yourself or worse, commit a crime.
Why is it ok for people to lose control and have a free pass to be an ass? don't allow it around you, and teach your kids it is not right to do it either.
Ok enough rambling.
 
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