Hierarchy at various manufacturers?

harryconway

Platinum Member
What's the closest equivalent to TAMA Starclassic for the other companies (at least DW, Pearl, Yamaha, maybe Sonor)? I'm thinking ~$2K, not more than $3K for a 4 piece shell pack.
Among the Tama Starclassic .......... Birch/Walnut $1800 (4 pc.) ...... Maple $3000 (4 pc.)

DW ........ Design Series $1800 (5 pc,) ........ Performance $2400 (5pc.)

Yamaha ......... Tour Maple Custom $1300 (4pc.) that's it. Next kit above is above $3K.

Pearl ........ Studio Sessions Select $1700 (5pc.) ........ Masters Maple $1800 (4pc.)

Sonor ........ AQ2 $1350 (5pc.) ......... SQ1 $2600 (3pc.)
 

someguy01

Well-known member
This thread devolved quickly.
For some, if it's not boutique or custom, it's mass produced crap with poor standards.
For others, it's all good (I'm in this camp)
For the most part computerized manufacturing has improved tolerances beyond what we ever saw in the 70s and 80s. Machining has also improved exponentially. Any loss in quality is due to greed from the manufacturer, they cut operating costs to increase their margins and the product suffers.
If I go to the store with $1000USD what I leave with in the way of a drum kit is far superior to what that same amount would have gotten me 15 years ago, let alone 30.
Does it look good to your eye? Does it sound like angels singing to your ears? Then buy it. No one cares about the badge, and if they do, that's their materialism issue to sort, not yours.
 

J-W

Well-known member
DW confuses the absolute crap out of me. I don't understand their lines at all. They have all of the ways that plies are put together: HVLT, SSC, VLT, PMS, ADD, I don't know. Then, they'll be like "We've developed a new shell that consists of plies of the rare Ashbrittle Yew alongside plies developed from wood taken from upper deck of Noah's Ark. We have then inlaid it with unicorn horn and whispers from Mother Teresa's ghost."
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And people buy it.

PT Barnum had an explanation as to why.
 

wildbill

Platinum Member
Among the Tama Starclassic .......... Birch/Walnut $1800 (4 pc.) ...... Maple $3000 (4 pc.)

DW ........ Design Series $1800 (5 pc,) ........ Performance $2400 (5pc.)

Yamaha ......... Tour Maple Custom $1300 (4pc.) that's it. Next kit above is above $3K.

Pearl ........ Studio Sessions Select $1700 (5pc.) ........ Masters Maple $1800 (4pc.)

Sonor ........ AQ2 $1350 (5pc.) ......... SQ1 $2600 (3pc.)

Yamaha has a giant gaping hole between the Tours and Maple Hybrids.
The Oaks used to fill that hole, but had a massive price increase with the latest version that pushed them above the Maple Hybrid.
Absolute nonsense to me. :(
 

Fritz Frigursson

Senior Member
Customer: I'd like to buy a Pearl drum set. Which one of their 18 different lines do you think would be right for me? And could you explain the differences?

Salesman:

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salesman- “this one is good. this other one is nice too.”

customer- “what’s the difference between the two?”

salesman- “i’d like you to leave now.”
 

Fritz Frigursson

Senior Member
Yamaha has a giant gaping hole between the Tours and Maple Hybrids.
The Oaks used to fill that hole, but had a massive price increase with the latest version that pushed them above the Maple Hybrid.
Absolute nonsense to me. :(
there also used to be the club customs and birch custom absolutes, WHY did they get discontinued… such good lines. i want to say that things went downhill after the japanese factory stopped making 90% of the kits, but then i’d be called a japanese manufacturing fanboy so i’m not going to indulge further
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
The Gretsch Site has their drums listed from Best to Lesser on their site from top to bottom on the drum page. Very Simple.
 

paradiddle pete

Platinum Member
If it ain't Craviotto what good is it? right? lol
Wrong! I sold the big name modern flagship models , they all had issues. this 1969 Holiday kit has none.. Modern Methods my ass.. And this over used Singerland kit uses real mahogany ! pity it's not modern machined Meranti. Bummer. it does have Character though..
 

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Cmdr. Ross

Silver Member
DW confuses the absolute crap out of me. They'll be like "We've developed a new shell that consists of plies of the rare Ashbrittle Yew alongside plies developed from wood taken from upper deck of Noah's Ark. We have then inlaid it with unicorn horn and whispers from Mother Teresa's ghost."

And people buy it.
To have a drum made from Noah's ark would probably sound heavenly...

I'll see myself out. 😁
 

s1212z

Well-known member
I assume the range is a notch below flagship if assuming Starclassic maple (but OP didn't distinguish between what Starclassic which is sort of important)

Of course this subjective list is completely accurate 😁

Tama - Starclassic Maple
Ludwig - Classic Maple or Oak
DW - ummmm
Pearl - ??? 🤷‍♂️
Gretsch - Brooklyn
Yamaha - Absolute or RC
Sonor - SQ1 or ProLite
Mapex - Saturn (?)
 

Fritz Frigursson

Senior Member
I assume the range is a notch below flagship if assuming Starclassic maple (but OP didn't distinguish between what Starclassic which is sort of important)

Of course this subjective list is completely accurate 😁

Tama - Starclassic Maple
Ludwig - Classic Maple or Oak
DW - ummmm
Pearl - ??? 🤷‍♂️
Gretsch - Brooklyn
Yamaha - Absolute or RC
Sonor - SQ1 or ProLite
Mapex - Saturn (?)
Mapex probably Saturn V, DW probably Performance and Pearl is very difficult to say since they have like 5 kits in this price range
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
Wrong! I sold the big name modern flagship models , they all had issues. this 1969 Holiday kit has none.. Modern Methods my ass.. And this over used Singerland kit uses real mahogany ! pity it's not modern machined Meranti. Bummer. it does have Character though..
Sentimental Vintage stuff. That's why they're both out of business.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
I assume the range is a notch below flagship if assuming Starclassic maple (but OP didn't distinguish between what Starclassic which is sort of important)

Of course this subjective list is completely accurate 😁

Tama - Starclassic Maple
Ludwig - Classic Maple or Oak
DW - ummmm
Pearl - ??? 🤷‍♂️
Gretsch - Brooklyn
Yamaha - Absolute or RC
Sonor - SQ1 or ProLite
Mapex - Saturn (?)
Gretsch......USA Custom is the top.
 

Darth Vater

Senior Member
I assume the range is a notch below flagship if assuming Starclassic maple (but OP didn't distinguish between what Starclassic which is sort of important)

Of course this subjective list is completely accurate 😁

Tama - Starclassic Maple
Ludwig - Classic Maple or Oak
DW - ummmm
Pearl - ??? 🤷‍♂️
Gretsch - Brooklyn
Yamaha - Absolute or RC
Sonor - SQ1 or ProLite
Mapex - Saturn (?)
That's a good range to operate in.
 
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