Have the "stage" areas in venues gotten smaller?

KamaK

Platinum Member
Are you referring to the blocked door?

Its in Australia.
Was referring to everything in it's entirety.. From the lack of steps/ramp, to the blocked door lacking illuminated battery-backed exit lighting and state-approved pushbar-stop... Wall hung speakers with no ceiling/failsafe tie-in, etc. I get that it's fine in Aus though, but in NY, I'd be looking at about $10k in fines, which is why the pic gave me a heart attack.

Funny anecdote... I had a set of stage steps that unfolded/transformed into a ramp and vice versa. During inspection, I was told I could choose between which violation (no steps, no ramp) I wanted to get ding'ed for...

Thank god I'm out of that industry. I need some Pepto just thinking about it.
 

TMe

Senior Member
...in NY, I'd be looking at about $10k in fines...
The funny thing is, here in Canada most people buy into the mythology of the US as being the land of the free, home of the brave, etc. They don't realize that things in the states are often more regulated (and more heavily taxed) than in supposedly socialist Canada.
 

KamaK

Platinum Member
The funny thing is, here in Canada most people buy into the mythology of the US as being the land of the free, home of the brave, etc. They don't realize that things in the states are often more regulated (and more heavily taxed) than in supposedly socialist Canada.
I can only speak to the jurisdictions where regulation is weaponized against the citizens in order to extract/extort revenue (New York, LA, and Seattle). I've literally had a gun drawn on me for handing a singer a glass of water. He was under 21, and as the venue operator, I was not allowed to "serve" him after 9PM. It doesn't matter what I served him. I ended up getting off on a technicality since I set the water on the stage. Had the cup gone directly from my hands to his, I would have been a felon, lost my license to operate, etc.

Music clubs will eventually cease to exist, because it's literally impossible to operate one unless you pay the correct bri....erm, campaign contributions.
 

Woolwich

Silver Member
How on earth did they pass code? Where is this bar located?
I compared Morrisman’s photo to some of the places I play in the North East Of England and couldn’t help but think how clean, tidy and well set up it is :) Many’s the pub with floor and wall mounted speakers which have the rawl plugs showing from their brackets as they strain to pull away. But hey, it was the same the first time we played there 6 years ago, what could possibly go wrong? :eek:
 

KEEF

Senior Member
...........what could possibly go wrong? :eek:
We play more than one place where everything goes into one or maybe two plug sockets - with extension leads plugged into extension leads.......I worked out the total number of plugs in our set up is 23!! 😧
 

mikyok

Platinum Member
We play more than one place where everything goes into one or maybe two plug sockets - with extension leads plugged into extension leads.......I worked out the total number of plugs in our set up is 23!! 😧
Yep go there a lot! Gotta love that initial conversation with the venue when you rock up.

Q Where's the power? A Oh there's a plug in the back corner of the stage let me know if you need anything else.

Not sure ours is 23 but it's in that ballpark. The worst part is they expect all of your equipment to be PAT tested as well as have Public Liability Insurance!
 

Woolwich

Silver Member
Yes the extension lead into extension lead daisy chain. At one really fun Rock Bar that we play they unplug the fruit machine for us to take power from the socket behind it. The “best” one was the small pub where we set everything up from one socket only for the manager to ask us to use the socket on the opposite wall. It was a bit of a pain but no massive deal. However the reason he gave was priceless, that socket was wired into the street light in the alleyway outside so the local council had part financed every band he’d ever had on.
 

mikyok

Platinum Member
The “best” one was the small pub where we set everything up from one socket only for the manager to ask us to use the socket on the opposite wall. It was a bit of a pain but no massive deal. However the reason he gave was priceless, that socket was wired into the street light in the alleyway outside so the local council had part financed every band he’d ever had on.
I wouldn't have been upset, that's genius!
 

V-Four

Senior Member
Yes, it seems to me that most of the stages (in my city, at least) are very small. What really bugs me, though, is when bars & restaurants decide to have live music but don't even have a stage at all! There are a couple places like that where I play pretty regularly with one of my bands, and every time it's a hassle. One time we got delayed over half an hour because a table of 12 had decided to stay & "camp out" after their meal was done, and we couldn't set up until their table was moved.
I hear your pain. Then after the Phantom Diners are finally done, the band gets to move the tables and chars/ pool tables.. Etc..

Ya think waiting for someone to finish dinner is bad, imagine the awkwardness of telling folks they gotta stop playin pool cuz the band is setting up, :0 they usually do NOT take it well.

T,
 

Dr_Watso

Platinum Member
It's quite common around here for the "stage" to basically just fit the drum set and the string/other players go on the floor in front of the stage. Most smaller bars will book acts that "don't fit" as they don't really care much and we just setup as I describe without any issue.
 
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