Has anyone ever felt like they need to hold onto the stick far up or all the way back?

Dr_Watso

Platinum Member
I guess just that I wouldn't usually use an "awkward" grip for too long unless there was a specific purpose. As I mentioned, sometimes that purpose is a different sound, but that's not usually something I'll need for a whole song or during most passages. For those short situations I sometimes find that pushing my first finger further forward allows for some control and a more "solid" note on say a cymbal, but once that part is over, I'll move back to the most efficient grip I normally gravitate towards; typically closer to the butt end.

When you say "slipping" you mean you are sort of constantly choking up on the stick as you play?
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
I hold the sticks as far back as I can for the most reach.

The butt of the stick, with normal volume, does not extend past my wrist joint.
 

Iristone

Well-known member
Trad player here. I tend to grab both sticks so the thumb, index and middle fingers are around the Vic Firth logo (or equivalent locations on other brands). Sometimes it slips a bit, so my left thumb falls on the logo and the whole hand seems to be at the middle of the stick.
 

Rock Salad

Junior Member
I guess just that I wouldn't usually use an "awkward" grip for too long unless there was a specific purpose. As I mentioned, sometimes that purpose is a different sound, but that's not usually something I'll need for a whole song or during most passages. For those short situations I sometimes find that pushing my first finger further forward allows for some control and a more "solid" note on say a cymbal, but once that part is over, I'll move back to the most efficient grip I normally gravitate towards; typically closer to the butt end.

When you say "slipping" you mean you are sort of constantly choking up on the stick as you play?
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It's really just experimenting. But yes, on the rebound maybe I am letting the stick return too far and when it's vertical it slips a little here and there.

My go to that I know works is back by the butt too though, reach and velocity are easier.
 

CommanderRoss

Silver Member
Depends on my musical need at the time.
I play heavier sticks (Vic Firth Thomas Lang sigs) & finesse can be a bit tricky. To fix this, I choke up on it & it evens the weight out.
 

Dr_Watso

Platinum Member
So the only time I would hold it like that is perhaps to exaggerate some really small tapping notes. Think of your swing like a little arc as it might be in a big wrist-based whip stroke. You're generating inertia which if you desire can turn into rebound. Holding too far forward for most playing stunts that concept. Try holding it in different places and pretending it's a literal whip, find where the balance works best. If your hold is balanced to the stick then it'll be easier to not slip up the stick.

I think that differences in sticks and where the weight is, along with differences in human hands is just one more reason I don't like to say there's an "ideal" place to hold the stick. I've seen some really funky looking playing that sounded super clean and articulate as a few people have pointed out.

In terms of controlling the second note as you mention might be where you're slipping, I might recommend practicing doubles on a big floor tom or soft-ish surface. It really forces you to exaggerate the movements and use your back fingers to control the stick.
 

Peedy

Senior Member
We did a 12-8 song for Zoom Church last week. It was the first time I ever played 12-8 live. I used bundles choked way up till only 40% was extending past my hands. It was the only way I could control speed and accents.

Felt weird but it worked out well.

Pete
 

Al Strange

Well-known member
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It's really just experimenting. But yes, on the rebound maybe I am letting the stick return too far and when it's vertical it slips a little here and there.

My go to that I know works is back by the butt too though, reach and velocity are easier.
I can honestly say that in 32 years of playing I’ve never held the stick that high, but that’s not to say it’s wrong. I’m a knuckle dragging rock drummer where power is the name of the game. My thumb basically sits on the VF flag and my fulcrum changes between all of my fingers, from pinky to forefinger, depending on what I’m doing. I play palms down matched grip so wrists also come into play.

Depends on my musical need at the time.
I play heavier sticks (Vic Firth Thomas Lang sigs) & finesse can be a bit tricky. To fix this, I choke up on it & it evens the weight out.
I think I know what you mean. I use STL’s and let the little finger and ring finger become the fulcrum and control the stick from the back which gives more control for finesse if that makes sense?🤔. In fact the older I get the more I’m controlling the stick from there. When I started I had a forefinger fulcrum!!

I love chats like this because everyone has their way, and there aren’t really any wrongs (as long as you’re not hurting yourself), different strokes work for different folks. (y) :)
 

bongoman

Junior Member
I usually go between a middle of the road light grip on the balance point, and holding the stick so the butt end is at the center of my palm. I can’t really explain the second one except that sometimes it just seems to give me the control and flow that I need for certain strokes.
 
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