Well done! Those sounded great!
Thanks PFG, I really appreciate your comments & taking the time to listen. Of course you can play them mate, they'd be honored with your presence.Well, I have finally managed to get a set of phones to listen to this through.
What can I say? Andy, they hit the mark in so many ways. You and Dean should take a bow. You've created something truely special. Unique is every way.
If I ever get to the UK, can I play 'em?....can I?.....can I? ;-)
Thanks again for your peerless enthusiasm and expert appraisal Larry. The journey to bring these into production will be interesting. Those chassis cages will have to go for standard models due to the silly cost levels. Key to the sound are those lovely 3mm stave shells. They will be centre stage in the production design. Hat received Larry, you just never know how this will pan out, but I suspect we'll be operating at the niche level as far out as I dare look.It's a whole new level of tone. I love the sound of those drums. They totally have the tone l have been chasing my whole life, or at least since I tuned my first tom.
I think it is a hell of an accomplishment to prove that a better tom sound is possible. Who has done that before? No one. Andy and Dean Did though. That's huge. HUGE!
The implications are pretty awesome. A better tone can be had. It sounds like a "can't lose, no way, no how" marketing angle.
I realize the challenges you guys face to translate that tone into a set that makes sense economically.
If you ever need a marketing director here in the US, I'm throwing my hat in the ring, dead serious. I friggin love the tone of those drums.
Thanks Rhett, I appreciate the compliment, especially as I know that you know just how difficult it is to pull off 3mm thick stave shells.Well done! Those sounded great!
Cheers Fox, I appreciate the time you took to listen. We've got a long way to go on this, but the initial results are very promising. Glad you liked the cymbals too. I chose them specifically to work with this kit. If I used clear heads though, I'd probably put Tigris & Galata series cymbals on to match the increase in attack & cut.+1 on the tom grooves, as I think that's the selling point of this kit and should be accordingly showcased. It's very interesting that several people mentioned the particular sound, and it is particular/unique (it makes me think of a woodblock), and it's not a bad sound, so regardless if it fits anyone's personal style, I think you were quite successful already.
Those are great cymbals, I very much like dark sounds and prefer dirty cymbals that've been played for years; they fit very well sound and look wise with the drums.
Also, I think it's important to point out that you carried this project in a very professional manner, and the presentation of your product is top notch; it does not only have a distinctive look, but it also seems to be very solid and well engineered.
Thanks Caddy! I'm very happy with the balance of abilities this kit has, but I think it can be improved upon. After all, it's a prototype, & it's job in life is to be a platform for what is to come.NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE!!!!!
Those tubs sound outstanding! They have the warmth of Allegra drums with the clarity of Spauns. That's the best of both worlds right there!
Nice post Chaos, & thanks for taking the time to think things through. When designing this prototype, of course, we didn't know how it would turn out. In fact, one key aspect of the design ended up being a total failure. Nevertheless, I started the process by stripping down the sonic landscape of a drum & aligning that to physical features. We really did start with a blank canvas. It's so easy to be steered by what has gone before you. Not that you can dismiss that, but it shouldn't contain your creative juices either.Less attack you say on the bass drum? I like the sound of that actually. I like punch, not attack if that makes any sense. Low end, not a click or a "TI-" opening to the sound... more of s softer, "this is moving air in the drum" "P-" beginning if that makes any sense. The feel it in your gut punch... and since you seem to be able to take smaller drums and give them a sound that's much lower and with more body and fullness than many larger drums, these sound like the absolute perfect match for the ideal drum sound in my head.
If I wanted attack, I could add attack with clear heads and patches and plastic beaters and such... but it's much more difficult to take it away from a drum where one of its defining characteristics is a lot of attack, even with a felt bass drum beater in some cases. I like the whole prospect of this. I'd love to be kept up to date on where else you guys take this design in terms of making it a production item, because the sound is absolutely the IDEAL way I'd like drums to sound. I like the body of bigger drums, but the brightness and response of smaller ones... and this prototype kit seems to embody that.
Color me jealous as all hell that you will forever be the sole owner of these drums, because I can't imagine you ever selling these babies to anyone haha. Is it bad I'm dreaming what my ideal sizes for a big kit of these I could use in multiple configurations would sound like? Because I'm mentally drooling at the thought of it...
Interesting question Larry, & I needed to think about that for a while.So Andy, what's YOUR take on the Gurus compared to the Spauns?
If you had them side by side, is there as much a difference as it seems from the video?
You sir own the worlds best sounding drums IMO.
Interesting question Larry, & I needed to think about that for a while.
They're such different drums, that comparison isn't easy. Although the diameters are the same, the depths are different. The design of the Guru kit allows for the creation of deeper drums without the usual associated overtones issue. I think if the Spauns were the same depth as the Gurus, they wouldn't sound quite as good as they do. I'm also comparing maple to mahogany, & ply to stave, so a tough call this one.
At least I'm comparing a thin stave shell to a relatively thin ply shell. There's no doubt in my mind that the stave shell is superior in every way. Really, a different level of shell tone altogether. The free floating vs. drilled shell with lugs comparison's an easy one too. The free floating design allows much greater shell involvement in the overall sound, so a big win there too.
I think the Spaun is probably the more adaptable of the two kits, as it has multiple tuning sweet spots, whereas the Guru kit has a defined sweet spot. The Spaun is slightly louder too, but the difference is very small. As for dynamic ability, especially with softer playing, the Guru is a clear winner.
I have a real affection for the Spaun kit. IMHO, it's one of the very best ply kits out there. It's easier to tune up than the guru, &, unmiked in a loud rock setting, every bit as good. As soon as the kit's in an environment where the tones can be exploited & appreciated, the Guru is king, by some considerable margin.
Yes I did Larry, & what a superb well thought out set of questions. I'll answer them all, & in detail, just got to run right now, so watch out for my reply later.Did you ever set both kits up side by side in the same room and compare?
No way Larry, your insight is super valuable to me, & very much appreciated. I'll take a stab at some more detail:I realize you have bigger fish to fry.