Please note I didn’t say they could play it all “and be great at it” ! You say versatile which certainly fits my statement. But being well familiar with different styles of music are in my humble opinion what great drummers do. Saying that, there are thousands of"Great drummers play it all" couldn't disagree more.
"Great drummers are versatile" is a more accurate agreeable statement IMO.
The thing I find most interesting about Rock drummers is that they have never played brushes.....
Those are some pretty broad generalizations there.When Rockers do pick them up they use the matched grip and play them like sticks
+1"Great drummers play it all" couldn't disagree more.
"Great drummers are versatile" is a more accurate agreeable statement IMO.
My story is opposite. My teacher tailored my education to who I wanted to be, not what he thought I should learn because of who he is.Those are some pretty broad generalizations there.
FYI, despite me being primarily a rock/metal/prog drummer, I have, and still occasionally do, play brushes and when I do, I play traditional grip. My first instructor also insisted that I learn the techniques. Even though he was a complete and utter jazz-hole, I do appreciate some of what he taught me. Most of what I learned from him, however, was how his narrow minded thinking was detrimental to his growth not only as a drummer, but as a person.
Hey he must have had a certain positive effect on you if you picked up brush technique. Congrats and i’m sure your experience with other Rock drummers will be different than mine so maybe I haven’t equated myself with enough of the trained ones like you. I generally only run into self taught types. I so very glad that i’ve been blessed with being eclectic in my music tastes and playing.Those are some pretty broad generalizations there.
FYI, despite me being primarily a rock/metal/prog drummer, I have, and still occasionally do, play brushes and when I do, I play traditional grip. My first instructor also insisted that I learn the techniques. Even though he was a complete and utter jazz-hole, I do appreciate some of what he taught me. Most of what I learned from him, however, was how his narrow minded thinking was detrimental to his growth not only as a drummer, but as a person.
RVHey he must have had a certain positive effect on you if you picked up brush technique. Congrats and i’m sure your experience with other Rock drummers will be different than mine so maybe I haven’t equated myself with enough of the trained ones like you. I generally only run into self taught types. I so very glad that i’ve been blessed with being eclectic in my music tastes and playing.
Rock on
Nope. Don't forget swing and waltz rhythms, they are usually not 4/4.+1
Until Dave Brubek went to Turkey and was immersed in odd times and then retuned to give us "Time Out" jazz was all in 4/4 as well.
I did not. Swing is swing and waltz is waltz, neither would be jazz. Predecessors, sure.Nope. Don't forget swing and waltz rhythms, they are usually not 4/4.
I don’t know if any of you fine drummers have played dance music in 3/4 waltz time but there are two different styles where I come from and i’m guessing it’s a regional thing.Nope. Don't forget swing and waltz rhythms, they are usually not 4/4.
Agreed. Jazz waltzes (written or covered) were only just starting to get popular in the 50's when Brubeck opened it wide open with 5, 6, and 7/4 and 9/8.I did not. Swing is swing and waltz is waltz, neither would be jazz. Predecessors, sure.
Max Roach was doing jazz in non-4/4 meters before Brubeck, certainly before Time Out.+1
Until Dave Brubek went to Turkey and was immersed in odd times and then retuned to give us "Time Out" jazz was all in 4/4 as well.
Dave Brubeck: “Max is one of the greatest drummers who ever lived. When we were young, Max and I played on the same programs and got to talk a lot. He was interested in what we were doing, and I was interested in what he was doing, because at the same time we were both getting away from 4/4 times. Our things just happened to become hits. I’ve always thought [Max Roach] should have a lot more recognition.”Max Roach was doing jazz in non-4/4 meters before Brubeck, certainly before Time Out.
Sorry, but what do you mean by Swing usually not being in 4/4? Of course, the actual rhythms of the melodies are not just 4 quarter notes but the time signature?Nope. Don't forget swing and waltz rhythms, they are usually not 4/4.
In a jazz context, "waltz" signifies any piece of music in 3/4 time, whether intended for dancing or not.[3] Although there are early examples such as the "Missouri Waltz" by Dan and Harvey’s Jazz Band (1918) and the "Jug Band Waltz" or the "Mississippi Waltz" by the Memphis Jug Band (1928), they are exceptional, as almost all jazz before 1955 was in duple meter.[4] It was in 1938 that noted jazz-influenced classical composer Dmitri Shostakovich wrote the Jazz Suite in 3/4 time.[citation needed] Shortly after the "bop waltz" appeared in the early 1950s (e.g., Thelonious Monk’s recording of Carolina Moon in 1952 and Sonny Rollins’s Valse Hot in 1956) that triple meter became at all common in jazz.[4]