Get me some groove

synergy

Senior Member
Two of my favorite drummers are Stanton Moore and Steve Jordan.

Just wanted to throw this out there and see if I could get any ideas on how I could incoporate their styles into my playing?

I will never sound like these greats so I'm not even trying- they are just the inspiration, so I wondered if there any things I could work on to try to get some of that groove?
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
They are 2 of my favorite drummers too, so that resonates with me. I don't know that you can teach feel. Those guys feel the music on such a deep level. Plus they're steeped in the traditions of their respective styles. So there's my suggestion. Feel the music deeply. Pretty subjective, I know. Assuming you can feel it on a similar level, then you have to have the skills to translate that feeling out onto the drumset, but that's a different discussion. First, you must feel it. Deeply. No, deeper. Even deeper than that. Keep going. Not there yet. Deeper. Almost there. Deeper. Even deeper. Not there yet, keep going. That's the ticket.

That's all I got.
 

opentune

Platinum Member
I can't offer too much either, but for me one of the best quotes in drumming is by Steve Jordan: "simplicity does not mean stupidity"

I keep telling myself that ....whenever I try to complicate something, and overplay. Just hold the fort, hold the groove, hold that baby down rock solid.
 

synergy

Senior Member
Thanks for the input guys- I think its down to a sh@tload of practicing and I think I'm really over thinking things- keep it simple as they say
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
A good start would be Stanton's Groove Alchemy video. I just bought it and the man is a beast. He explains how a lot of different stockings can be used in all kinds of music. Check it out.
 

Anon La Ply

Renegade
Many great players have said they immersed themselves in the work of their favourite players and investigated their influences. Pretty well classical conditioning.
 

Duracell

Senior Member
I don't know much about Stanton Moore but I've been a fan of Steve for a while and tried to copy his feel. I'd give the following tips.

- Listen to the music. Steve did a lot of work with Alicia Keys and John Mayer. Go check them out!
- Feel the swing. Steve is a master of swing feels. From light swing to full on triplet based grooves.
- Produce a good sound. When you listen to Steven appreciate how he works the hi-hat. The man often really digs into it and often keeps them rock steady. His hats are also bigger (often going for 15" + size hats). On top of that he often really cracks the snare. His overall sound is BIG. His internal dynamics are great (listen for the ghost notes/syncopated snare hits).
- Hold that groove and keep it minimal. The man just knows how to lay it down.

My favourite songs to practice along to are:

Don't need no doctor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq8dwIuKLRo
I need you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOVGAE0GHjw
Waiting on the world to change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZGKmGJVg_Y
Got a woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c_cEXlv8ZQ
If I was your woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-n2YQUrbDc
 

Aeolian

Platinum Member
Check out this master class by jazz pianist Hal Galper. http://youtu.be/y_7DgCrziI8 He talks in here about how you get out of the way and let the music come through. Basically he says that you have to hear the thing you want in your head so compellingly that it comes out in spite of anything else (like thinking) that would get in it's way. There is another in this series where he talks about rhythm that is really fascinating.

A mentor of mine keeps telling me that "it's not as difficult as you think it is". And on occasions where I'm thinking more about the music than exactly what I'm playing and how, I see what he means.
 

synergy

Senior Member
After thinking about this some more yesterday- I stuck in a James Brown and grooved away for an hour with the Godfather :)
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Groove can be learned. I'm proof of that. I hate to sit here and say, yea I can groove, but the truth is, for the majority of my drumming life, I never used to be able to, and now I can. I don't know where the turning point was. You do have to really want it though. If you don't really want it, you don't deserve it IMO. I guess if you stick with something long enough, things begin to reveal themselves. I came back to drumming in late 2003. I really didn't have much groove until about 2009, not too long after I joined here. Coincidence? Not sure. But it definitely helped.
 
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