Gavin Harrison here!

Croc

Senior Member
Hi Gavin - Thanks for a wonderfully entertaining concert in Philadelphia last week! I see where Steven mentioned the other day that you guys were battling illness. Hope all feel better, soon! Any tips for staying healthy on the road? I can't imagine having to play for three hours at that intensity level whilst feeling under the weather. Cheers!
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
I see where Steven mentioned the other day that you guys were battling illness. Hope all feel better, soon! Any tips for staying healthy on the road?
I have pretty bad 'tennis elbow' (lateral epicondylitis) in my right arm at the moment. It doesn't hurt when I play - but does when I stop. I had it in my left elbow a few years ago - and eventually - it just went away.

Tips for staying healthy on the road? Don't go on the road !

cheers
Gavin
 

dave mc

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Hi Gavin,

Hope you are doing well and feeling better. I just watched The Inabsentia doc and saw this near the end by the credits. Do you remember this time? I like the small kit you are using. Do you remember what it was? Thanks so much in advance. Take care
 

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Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Do you remember this time? I like the small kit you are using. Do you remember what it was?
sure - this was a little "unplugged" acoustic set that Porcupine Tree did as "the opening band to ourselves" in Radio City NYC and London Royal Albert Hall. The drums are Sonor 20" 12" 14" hi hats ride and a crash. It was quite good fun !

cheers
Gavin
 

TK-421

Senior Member
sure - this was a little "unplugged" acoustic set that Porcupine Tree did as "the opening band to ourselves" in Radio City NYC and London Royal Albert Hall. The drums are Sonor 20" 12" 14" hi hats ride and a crash. It was quite good fun !

cheers
Gavin
I'm not sure if that pic was from the NYC show or the London show, but I was at the one at Radio City Music Hall. That show was on my birthday, so as a present to myself, I flew myself out to NYC (from LA, where I live) and had seats right up front. I even got a little memento, which is hanging in my office right above my practice kit.

Can't wait to see you tonight at the Greek!

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SalvadorDDVS

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Hello Gavin I was wondering what cymbal you used around the 1:12 mark in “Trains” as to my ear it doesn’t sound like the 6” splash used in The Sound of Muzak or the 8” splash used on some of the Deadwing material. Thanks!

- Salvador
 

SalvadorDDVS

Junior Member
I assume you're referring to the original studio version? I don't hear a splash at 1:12 but it sounds like an open hi hat. Is that the exact moment you mean?
Yes studio, beat “2and” of bar 3, Terry Branam has it charted as a splash in Rhythmic Composition but that doesn’t sound right to me. It’s always been tough for me to tell exactly which cymbal it is. I almost thought it was 12 inch China at first. Doesn’t sound like your hi-hat tone on rest of the song, is it an extra hi-hat like in Blackest Eyes? Thanks again for your time Gavin. I’ve included a picture of the chart so hopefully it uploads properly.
 

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Gavin Harrison

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Yes studio, beat “2and” of bar 3, Terry Branam has it charted as a splash in Rhythmic Composition but that doesn’t sound right to me. It’s always been tough for me to tell exactly which cymbal it is. I almost thought it was 12 inch China at first. Doesn’t sound like your hi-hat tone on rest of the song
I think I have now figured it out - and I believe it is a Zildjian EFX 12" Piggy Back mini china cymbal. I saw a photo of those sessions and recognised that cymbal.
 

SalvadorDDVS

Junior Member
I think I have now figured it out - and I believe it is a Zildjian EFX 12" Piggy Back mini china cymbal. I saw a photo of those sessions and recognised that cymbal.
Thank you so much! Never even heard of this cymbal! Also saw the PT shows in Boston and New York last month, amazing!
 

JimmyM

Platinum Member
Thank you so much! Never even heard of this cymbal! Also saw the PT shows in Boston and New York last month, amazing!
Just heard a demo…sounds like you’d expect it to…a splashy China. But what is the piggyback aspect? Are they meant to be stacked?
 
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spelman

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Just heard a demo…sounds like you’d expect it to…a splashy China. But what is the piggyback aspect? Are they meant to be stacked?
Yes, a review from when they were new in 1988/89:

Zildjian Piggyback

In recent years, it has become popular to
mount two cymbals together, producing a
dry, short sound best described as a "splat."
Terry Bozzio mounts various combinations
of cymbals in this manner, and Dave Weckl
has a China mounted over a crash, which
he uses for punctuation. But there has been
no particular standard in terms of what
cymbal combination produces the best re¬
sults.

Zildjian has attempted to standardize
things a bit by introducing a cymbal spe¬
cifically designed to be used in conjunc¬
tion with another cymbal: the EFX Piggy¬
back. The cymbal is 12" in diameter, has a
China-type profile, and is very thin and
lightweight. Its size and shape make it ideal
for a variety of mounting applications. You
can mount it right side up on ride or crash
cymbals, or you can invert a ride or crash
and mount an inverted Piggyback inside of
it. You could also mount a larger cymbal
over the Piggyback, or mount a small splash
inside an inverted one.

There are no hard and fast rules when it
comes to matching a Piggyback with an¬
other cymbal, and experimentation is defi¬
nitely called for. Generally, when mount¬
ing two cymbals together, you'll get that
basic "splat" sound, but within that you
can get some variation. The pitch will be
affected by the cymbal that you are using
with the Piggyback. We tried a Piggyback
inverted inside an 18" A Zildjian crash as
well as inside a 17" K Zildjian. While the
overall character was the same, the pitch
was significantly different.

We also found that the sound could be
varied quite a bit by how tightly the cym¬
bals were held together by the wing nut.
We experimented with an inverted Piggy¬
back mounted inside an inverted 17" crash.
When angled and screwed down tightly,
there was very little sound. When mounted
fairly flat with little or no tightening of the
wing nut, the cymbals would vibrate against
each other for a couple of seconds. Various
degrees of tightening the wing nut produced
various effects, ranging from a fairly nice
sizzle effect to a rather annoying rattle.
There were also differences in sound de¬
pending on whether we struck only the
edge of the 17" or both cymbals together.

We had interesting results when we
mounted a Piggyback underneath a 20" K
Light Ride. By placing a very thin piece of
felt between the bells and angling the cym¬
bals just a little, we were able to get just a
hint of a "trash" sound when playing on
the ride cymbal. I must mention that it took
quite a bit of experimenting on our part to
determine the optimum thickness of the
felt and the right amount of tilt on the cym¬
bals.

We encountered one potential problem.
We borrowed three Piggyback cymbals for
review, and one of them was slightly
warped. That was only a problem in cer¬
tain applications, where we were trying to
get one cymbal to vibrate evenly against
the other (as in the above example of the
Piggyback mounted under the ride). Given
the thinness of these cymbals, it's easy to
see why they could be prone to warpage,
so you might want to check for that before
you make your purchase.

Zildjian's promo for this cymbal states
that it can also be used as a small China.
The MD editors who tried it felt that it was
too thin and high-pitched for that use, and
preferred it in combination with another
cymbal. But that's not to say that someone
else wouldn't be able to use it by itself and
be pleased with the sound.

The EFX Piggyback has a list price of
$164.00, which is comparable to what you
might spend on a 17" crash. Considering
that the Piggyback can be used in several
different ways—depending on what you
mate it with—it might not be a bad invest¬
ment if you're looking for something differ¬
ent.

—Rick Mattingly , Modern Drummer
 

Adam Sayers

New Member
Hi Gavin, I went to see 'In The Court of the Crimson King' last night, and enjoyed the peak into the working life of the band and its history - as well as a further glimpse into the philosophies of Robert with regard to what King Crimson is. I thoroughly enjoyed it, however, I couldn't help but notice a lack of your presence throughout (Apart from you serenading Jakko with his favourite practice pad number). Was this just down to the final edit? I know there has been a couple of revisions since the footage had been filmed for what was intended to be the original documentary 'Cosmic FuKc', or was it a conscious choice from yourself to minimise distraction whilst being in a working environment? I can imagine it being quite taxing to be on tour with a band such as KC and have a camera following you around at any given moment!

All the best
Adam
 

Iamperjay

Junior Member
PT show in Boston was fantastic. Porter and Davies question? I've seen pictures of you with the Gigster. Are you using that on this tour? or the bigger units? and do you feed snare and toms into the engine as well as kick?
 

dwsabianguy

Senior Member
Hi Gavin, I've been wondering it for a long time but can't seem to find the info anywhere - What ride cymbals did you use on In Absentia?

It sounds like there are a couple, and that pingy ride has always been one of my favorite recorded ride sounds.

Loved the PT show in Washington DC, by the way. Glad my friend and I were able to make it!
 

Ibzprestige

New Member
Hi @Gavin Harrison On the Zildjian website It mentions that your favorite ride is the 21" k custom complex, I rather like this ride too but since it is now discontinued I was wondering if you have any recommendations for something similar and what you seem to gravitate towards lately? Thank you for your time and the new Porcupine Tree is fantastic! :)
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
On the Zildjian website It mentions that your favorite ride is the 21" k custom complex, I rather like this ride too but since it is now discontinued I was wondering if you have any recommendations for something similar and what you seem to gravitate towards lately?
Yes I do love that K Complex 21" ride and I'll probably hang on to it for many years. This year I have been playing the 20" K Ride as it suits what I do with Porcupine Tree.

Cheers
 
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