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Juan Exposito

Junior Member
Hi again Gavin!
Two questions please:
1) In some interview I heard you mentioning the app "Live BPM", talking about timing or something related to it. I find it very useful for using it in band rehearsals or practice sessions (with no click tracks) and see clearly where the ups and downs with the time happens and your ears don´t notice those changes (I mean my ears ;)...)
Have you used it or have some opinion on that app?
2) And when will YOUR timing app be available?

Thanks Gavin!
 
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Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Robthedrummer

can you tell us about what all you have going on right now, or some things to check out?

Right now I'm on a long tour of the Americas with King Crimson. We have 7 weeks remaining. If you're curious to know where we're going - https://www.dgmlive.com/tours

Straight after that I will be rehearsing with The Pineapple Thief for a couple of festival shows in the UK and then after that we're playing about 20 concerts in the US and a couple of shows in Mexico. http://www.pineapplethief.com/tour/

I have been busy mixing a TPT live album (which should be out in November) and I've been writing with Bruce Soord for a new TPT album for next year.

Also some influences that you are currently into?

Mainly I've been bouncing around on YouTube checking out random things. From old Buddy Rich clips to guys like Anderson .Paak and everything in between.

Hi Juan Exposito

1) In some interview I heard you mentioning the app "Live BPM", talking about timing or something related to it. I find it very useful for using it in band rehearsals or practice sessions (with no click tracks) and see clearly where the ups and downs with the time happens and your ears don´t notice those changes (I mean my ears ;)...)Have you used it or have some opinion on that app?

Yes I like that app. I haven't used it in a live concert or rehearsal - but it's very interesting playing old songs through it to see what happens to the tempo. It shows you that things can still feel great but still speed up or slow down.

2) And when will YOUR timing app be available?

It's almost finished. I will see Terry Branam in a couple of weeks time and we would hope to have it available very soon. The idea of the app is really simple. It's an ear training 'timing' game where you learn to recognise when things are 'out of time' to quite small degrees. You test yourself to hear notes ahead or behind the beat - and tempos that might slow down or speed up. I found there was a lot of ear training courses for 'relative pitch' and 'perfect pitch' but not much for 'timing'.

cheers
Gavin
 

Juan Exposito

Junior Member
Hello Gavin,
Forgive me for three questions in a row!
1) I think that in Porcupine Tree and The Pineaple Thief you use a click track most of the time (correct me if I´m wrong). Are you the only one in the band with the click? All your bandmates are incredible good musicians, but have you experienced some conflicts or situations because of the fact that you are the one with it?
2) About practicing with the click but with silenced bars. Have you practiced that type of routine with the metronome, for example 2 bars click + 4 of silence or more? How long have you reached with that practicing? Tips?
3) I´ve noticed that many drummers plays always with click, live concerts, band rehearsals and individual practice...They sound good with it but when they play alone, without the click, their timing and time keeping is not good. Simon Phillips, in my interview with him, said: "Young players and bands are growing always playing to a click and they are not developing the quality of good timing as a band without that device". I think the metronome is essential to develope our internal clock but equaly important is to play without it. What´s your opinion on that? Do you think that playing always with a click may go against us in some point?

Thanks x 10.000
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
HI Juan

I think that in Porcupine Tree and The Pineapple Thief you use a click track most of the time (correct me if I´m wrong). Are you the only one in the band with the click? All your bandmates are incredible good musicians, but have you experienced some conflicts or situations because of the fact that you are the one with it?

No we all have the click and it makes it easy for the times where there are not drums playing. When I am playing, I think the band listen more to me than click

2) About practicing with the click but with silenced bars. Have you practiced that type of routine with the metronome, for example 2 bars click + 4 of silence or more? How long have you reached with that practicing? Tips?

I have tried that method of programming silence in the click but I don’t find it particularly helpful. If you want to improve your ability to synchronise with a click I found it more useful to play in between the clicks and judge how even you can make it sound. If you play a rock drum pattern to a quarter note click then probably you will only hear it when you are out with it or you have to have it unbelievably loud to get over the volume of the drums.

3) I´ve noticed that many drummers plays always with click, live concerts, band rehearsals and individual practice...They sound good with it but when they play alone, without the click, their timing and time keeping is not good. Simon Phillips, in my interview with him, said: "Young players and bands are growing always playing to a click and they are not developing the quality of good timing as a band without that device". I think the metronome is essential to develop our internal clock but equally important is to play without it. What´s your opinion on that? Do you think that playing always with a click may go against us in some point?


Of course up until around the very early ’80’s nobody recorded (or played live) with a click so the band was very dependant on the drummer’s ability to hold a steady tempo. It is a different skill to playing with a click and it requires a different mind set. Experience and confidence play a big part in it. Now lots of bands use a click, so it is a skill a young drummer needs to be good at too - but I would suggest practising without one and playing with other musicians without one. Record yourself so you can check if it’s feeling good and not speeding up or slowing down. How good you are at judging depends how good (and quick) your ears are at noticing timing errors. You can only be as good as your ears. At first you might notice that the song finished at a different tempo than you started at. Then you might notice certain sections of the song moved tempo. You might notice certain phrases or fills moved tempo and finally you might be able to notice the evenness of every note you're playing. I think that’s what you should aim for, so that your ears can hear timing issues even within one bar…but remember we are human and nobody has perfect time. The best you can hope for is that it sounds even and tight within a certain tolerance window.

cheers
Gavin
 

Juan Exposito

Junior Member
Hello Gavin,
I hope your American tour with The Pineapple Thief is going great.
In this picture (from that tour) you have a device attached to your cymbal stand, over your monitor mixer.
(seen in your Facebook)
Is it a sound/synth module, a tablet?
What´s the use of it?
Thanks Gavin.
The picture here
 
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Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Juan
The iPad in that picture is running the controller software App for the PreSonus monitoring system. That way I can change anything in the mix during the show. It works very well

cheers
Gavin
 
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