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Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Bananers

I had just a quick question about something I saw recently online, regarding the Cymbal Resonance System. I was just wondering how they work and what prompted you to use them?

I was actually visiting my friend Morgan Agren in Sweden and he had them on his drumset. He gave me a quick demo and hooked me up with the guy who runs the CRS company. Basically they work in a similar way that isolated tom mounts work. They help isolate the cymbal from the vibration of the stand - especially helpful if you use a drum rack - or mount a cymbal off the same stand as a tom and mics might be mounted on the same hardware too. I really like them

Cheers
Gavin
 

Keith Anselmo

New member
Good Morning! My name is Keith Anselmo from New Orleans, LA. I was wondering, when it comes to setting up a drum set for maximum comfort and playability, is it better to position the toms first and add cymbals where they are wanted? Or start with cymbal placement and then build around that? May seem like a strange question because most would probably think things will end up in the same place regardless but where I want my toms to be is always effected by where I want my ride cymbal to be. It seems as though I'm having to sacrifice placement on one or the other.

Very Sincerely,
 
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bananers

Junior Member
I was actually visiting my friend Morgan Agren in Sweden and he had them on his drumset. He gave me a quick demo and hooked me up with the guy who runs the CRS company. Basically they work in a similar way that isolated tom mounts work. They help isolate the cymbal from the vibration of the stand - especially helpful if you use a drum rack - or mount a cymbal off the same stand as a tom and mics might be mounted on the same hardware too. I really like them
Ahh, I see! That's very interesting, I can imagine they'd make a huge difference to the sound - I was intrigued because as far as I know (I guess I could be wrong!) there isn't really anything out there like them. I'd love to try them sometime to hear the difference.

Thanks!
Alannah
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Keith Anselmo

I was wondering, when it comes to setting up a drum set for maximum comfort and playability, is it better to position the toms first and add cymbals where they are wanted? Or start with cymbal placement and then build around that?

It's a hard question because I think everyone does what suits themselves. I guess some of it depends on how large or small a drumset you are planning on setting up and what kind of music you'll be playing. I try to keep the elements that I'm going to be playing the most on (hi hat snare and ride cymbal) within comfortable distance and not things that are hard to reach. If I was pretty much exclusively playing jazz I'd probably move my ride down low close to the bass drum as I don't want to strain playing on a high ride cymbal all night just so I can include another tom. I have played the same layout for about the last 30 years or more - 3 toms across the top of the bass drum and 2 floor toms. I keep them at sensible heights and angles so I can minimise the amount of movements. I do keep the crashes up high enough away from the toms as I don't want to overload the toms mics with cymbals and likewise the hi hat is not super close to the snare drum mic - so there is a 'mix-friendly' element to consider. It also depends how tall you are, what height you want to sit at, how long your reach is and how far back from the bass drum/snare drum you feel you want to be. I know I sit lower than most people and also a lot further back.

best of luck
Gavin
 

Keith Anselmo

New member
Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. This is very helpful!

P.S. You’re playing is very inspiring and thank you for all you have contributed to the world of drumming!
 

SirSwingsAlot

Well-known member
Gavin, I can not thank you enough for the constant inspiration and joy you bring me with your playing and passion for music. I am sure you’ve been asked this before so I apologize in advance, but how can one simulate your bells that you have in your kit without cutting cymbals of their own? I don’t have the tools nor the extra cymbals to do that. Thank you!
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi SirSwingsAlot

how can one simulate your bells that you have in your kit without cutting cymbals of their own?

That's a tough one because the Zildjian ones that I have are not commercially available. Other bells I've seen/heard don't really sound the same. I have seen companies that offer "bell liberation" but I think that depends on you submitting a cymbal in the first place.

best of luck
Gavin
 

Pavel Ljubicic

Junior Member
Hi Gavin!

I know you've been listening to American jazz and funk when you were younger, but have you ever cited the old British drummers as an inspiration? For example: Ginger Baker, Ian Paice...
 
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Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Pavel Ljubicic

I know you've been listening to American jazz and funk when you were younger, but have you ever cited the old British drummers as an inspiration? For example: Ginger Baker, Ian Paice...

I think my influence from British drummers came from a generation later. Although I was aware of Ginger Baker, Ian Paice, Carl Palmer, Keith Moon, Ringo Starr etc. I was more into Simon Phillips, Tony Beard and Steve Jansen.

cheers
Gavin
 

TK-421

Senior Member
Gavin, I can not thank you enough for the constant inspiration and joy you bring me with your playing and passion for music. I am sure you’ve been asked this before so I apologize in advance, but how can one simulate your bells that you have in your kit without cutting cymbals of their own? I don’t have the tools nor the extra cymbals to do that. Thank you!
SirSwingsAlot, Sabian makes a set that's modeled after Gavin's "bells". I saw them at NAMM 2018, and asked a Sabian rep if they were modeled after Gavin's set. He said yes, which I found interesting since Gavin is a Zildjian endorser. You can find them here:


Gavin, I'm just curious if you're aware of these. I don't remember them sounding quite the same as yours, but they seemed at least in the same ballpark.

Also, I'd just like to THANK YOU for the constant inspiration! I look forward to seeing you at the Greek Theater in LA with King Crimson. I'll be the one way in the back with the giant binoculars focused right on you the whole time! :) Come to think of it, I'll be seeing you AGAIN in December with The Pineapple Thief. I'm really looking forward to both shows!
 

spelman

Senior Member
SirSwingsAlot, Sabian makes a set that's modeled after Gavin's "bells". I saw them at NAMM 2018, and asked a Sabian rep if they were modeled after Gavin's set. He said yes, which I found interesting since Gavin is a Zildjian endorser. You can find them here:


Gavin, I'm just curious if you're aware of these. I don't remember them sounding quite the same as yours, but they seemed at least in the same ballpark.

Also, I'd just like to THANK YOU for the constant inspiration! I look forward to seeing you at the Greek Theater in LA with King Crimson. I'll be the one way in the back with the giant binoculars focused right on you the whole time! :) Come to think of it, I'll be seeing you AGAIN in December with The Pineapple Thief. I'm really looking forward to both shows!
TK-421: They sound as if they are quite thin.
To SirSwingsAlot: try Paiste Cup Chimes , you may find them a bit thicker than Gavins bells though.
 

Pier Vairo

Junior Member
Hi Gavin.
My name is Pierfrancesco.
My question is..what do you think about the modern drumming based probably most on gospel chops? Do you think that what is searching for the current modern drummer is not musicality but an high technical and scenographic level?
I tell you this because during my gigs I try to share my little musicality, because I don't like technical demonstration or play millions of notes, and I notice that it is too little.
Thanks a lot!
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Pier Vario

My question is..what do you think about the modern drumming based probably most on gospel chops? Do you think that what is searching for the current modern drummer is not musicality but an high technical and scenographic level?

Gospel Chops has been popular for a few years now and within that style - the technically energetic drumming is very much part of it. I personally don't have any experience of playing that kind of music so I can't comment on whether I think it's musically suitable or not. I guess energetic drumming will always have a place on YouTube as it interests and impresses so many viewers - so therefore it might appear to be more popular than other styles at the moment. It don't think it necessarily outlines the future of 'modern drumming'.

cheers
Gavin
 

bananers

Junior Member
Good evening Gavin,

I came across this concert on my Youtube travels and I was trying to figure out what kit you're playing here? I thought it might have been an old Tama but I couldn't quite see the badge closely enough! Love the additional "gong tom" thing going on beside the 8" too.


Alannah
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Bananers

ooh that was 36 years ago. That was my Gretsch drumset that I bought in 1981. 2 x 24" bass drums (that sounded horrible) plus 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, toms and 16" floor tom - all with Ludwig hardware. On that video I had the 15" up over the hi hat (which I really liked) then a 10, 12, 13 across the front and the 16" floor tom.

here's a slightly bigger (and harder to play) version with the 15, 10, 12, 13, 14 across the front and the 16" floor tom. It would appear I was in a Billy Cobham/Simon Phillips mode at that moment. Fun times !

Renaissance 1.jpg

cheers
Gavin
 

bananers

Junior Member
Hi Bananers

ooh that was 36 years ago. That was my Gretsch drumset that I bought in 1981. 2 x 24" bass drums (that sounded horrible) plus 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, toms and 16" floor tom - all with Ludwig hardware. On that video I had the 15" up over the hi hat (which I really liked) then a 10, 12, 13 across the front and the 16" floor tom.

here's a slightly bigger (and harder to play) version with the 15, 10, 12, 13, 14 across the front and the 16" floor tom. It would appear I was in a Billy Cobham/Simon Phillips mode at that moment. Fun times !

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cheers
Gavin
Ahhh Gretsch of course! It's a monster kit, you don't really see anything with a 15" tom these days, or even with the double bass drum set up. What made them sound horrible?

Haha, thanks for sharing that photo - Yeah I can definitely see those influences! Thanks Gavin :)

Alannah
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi Bananers

...with the double bass drum set up. What made them sound horrible?

the short answer is - "I did". The kind of sound I was going for was never going to work with those bass drums - set up with the front heads virtually off - and Black Dot Remo heads on them.

Hi DaEigi

I was listening to the song " Way Out Of Here " ( great song!!) on the FOABP - Album and I started thinking about the lyrics, so I googled what the song was about, and I found out that it was meant as a " Tribute " to a girl that killed herself while listening to Porcupine Tree. I was shocked.
But how did it effect the band? Obviously you must have been shocked, but how did it effect your, for example, Songwriting Process? Were you scared that the music had some negative Influence on her?


I didn't have anything to do with the lyrics - and neither did I know the story about the girl until after we'd been playing the song for quite some time.
I agree that it's a very sad story though.

Gavin
 
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bananers

Junior Member
Hi Bananers

...with the double bass drum set up. What made them sound horrible?

the short answer is - "I did". The kind of sound I was going for was never going to work with those bass drums - set up with the front heads virtually off - and Black Dot Remo heads on them.
Ahhh, I see! It's fun and frustrating with how many variables there are to achieve the sound you want, I've been spending almost everyday of the last 8 months figuring this stuff out first hand - it's been a minefield! I've also wildly changed my preferences on bass drum sounds, *just* by trying out different heads... I now prefer absolutely nothing inside the bass but that might completely change down the line... so much trial and error!

Alannah
 
Hey Gavin, can you tell us about what all you have going on right now, or some things to check out? Also some influences that you are currently into? By the way I last caught you in Greensburg, PA with King Crimson...what a show! Thanks!
 
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