Gavin Harrison here!

euphoric_anomaly

Senior Member
Gavin,

A question about your work with 05Ric. Which song(s) on the 2 albums did you have the most difficulty with (ie- time signature, tempo change).

Also, while I love Ric's fresh and melodramatic style of singing, have you ever considered releasing an instrumental version of the albums? I only ask because I think it would be easier to study the musical complexity without having to ignore the brilliant singing.

I've started practicing 6/8 time. Which I find quite easy to grasp, however, I'm always accenting the 'one' of every group of 3 (ONE two three, ONE two three), either with a stomp of the bass drum or a crack of the snare. Could you suggest an alternative way of counting 6/8 so I could play it without it sounding so monotonous or predictable?

Thanks so much
 

tobiashula

Junior Member
@ euphoric_anomaly: Odd question. Everything is possible:

ONE two three, one TWO three,
one two three, ONE TWO three,
one two THREE, one two THREE,
ONE TWO three, one TWO three .......................................................................................................

and so on ... There are countless opportunities if you divide it not only in eighth notes but also in 16s or 32s ....

So try to find the accents that fit the best with a song. ;-)
 

euphoric_anomaly

Senior Member
@ euphoric_anomaly: Odd question. Everything is possible:

ONE two three, one TWO three,
one two three, ONE TWO three,
one two THREE, one two THREE,
ONE TWO three, one TWO three .......................................................................................................

and so on ... There are countless opportunities if you divide it not only in eighth notes but also in 16s or 32s ....

So try to find the accents that fit the best with a song. ;-)
I appreciate your input Tobias :) Thank you for your examples :)
 

EJWest

Junior Member
Hey Gavin, you probably won't remember me, I spoke to you briefly after the RAH concert last night. My dad introduced us and he was kind of joking about giving lessons by the way... :D I've still got Rhythmic Illusions to get through first!

Absolutely fantastic concert last night, loved every second of it and you're a true inspiration to younger drummers like myself and I really hope to be able to play with such emotion and feel as you do one day. Best birthday gift I've ever had, and it's going to be hard to top that!

However, in the acoustic part of the set you played last night, I noticed you were doing a certain brush pattern on the snare during Black Dahlia I think, it looked like you were doing circles with your left hand, while hitting and then sliding with your right. Is that correct? I've recently been getting into a lot of jazz/experimental trio music (such as Esbjorn Svensson Trio and Kieth Jarrett) and so would love to get some good ideas about brushes...

Cheers!
 

Fox622003

Gold Member
I noticed you were doing a certain brush pattern on the snare during Black Dahlia I think, it looked like you were doing circles with your left hand, while hitting and then sliding with your right. Is that correct? I've recently been getting into a lot of jazz/experimental trio music (such as Esbjorn Svensson Trio and Kieth Jarrett) and so would love to get some good ideas about brushes...

Cheers!
THIS might help you, it's quite decent, and he explains a lot in very little time. You might find yourself going back and forth. I'm sure what you saw Gavin playing is similar to some of the sweeping patterns Peter explains there.


Fox.
 

EJWest

Junior Member
There are some wicked tips there, thanks Fox, I can learn a bunch of cool stuff from this. But the reason I asked was because I haven't seen anyone do this sort of pattern before (out of the few I've seen) and sounded so awesome and looked so fluid.

I loved the Jungle version of your Sonor kit as well Gavin, nice touch.
 
Hi Gavin,

Wish I could have seen you in Dublin but I was at Benny Greb and just couldn't make it to both. Do a clinic in Dublin soon!

I know that you play Axis now. But I've seen photos of your kit set up with a Sonor Giant Step double pedal. I'm thinking of getting one because my friend just snapped the footboard on my DW 9000s. They were too heavy if I'm honest. I was actually thinking of selling them so I could buy another pedal.

I play a Sonor S Classix and know they make great stuff. But the Giant steps aren't stocked here so if I go for one I'll have to do it without a test run to see if I like them.

Could you share any thoughts on them? Do they hold up? I'm not a crazy double bass player. I like to work them into fills...that's about it. Are light or heavy pedals? How smooth would they be?

Any info would be great.

Thanks,

SonorPlayer
 

dtl

Junior Member
now that the porcupine tour is over can we look forward to an 05ric-gavin harrison tour maybe next year?
 

Deathtoll

Junior Member
I know you listen to more jazz then any other genre around it would seem, what modern jazz artists do you listen to when your not listening to your back catalog?
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi SantiBanks

A question about notation. I noticed that the ">" symbol is used for accents. The Rhythmic Designs book uses those for the main snare hits and notes without the accent mark for the ghost notes. Why did you choose for this approach over using smaller notes for the ghost notes? Is this the proper way to score out drumparts?

It's really hard to read the smaller notes and something that you could only really reliably do with a computer. I have read hand written parts where the size of the dots have not been that consistent to start with. I prefer the accent system and it is the proper way to score drum parts.

Hi TKIE

I thought to strip screws (hope it's understandable now...). I heard that it happens often and that an owner of this pedal have to screw it frequently. How often do you care about this stuff? (meaning screwing) And what is a lifetime of your pedal?


I've had my original Axis pedal for 8 years and the screws have never stripped out.

Hi euphoric_anomaly

A question about your work with 05Ric. Which song(s) on the 2 albums did you have the most difficulty with (ie- time signature, tempo change).

The song "Scar" is quite a hard one - but once you memorise the 11/8 part it's not too bad. As with all odd time signatures there's always a key to them. You never have to count to 11 - you need to work out a way to feel the pattern in a collection of smaller groupings. Like 3/4 + 5/8.

Also, while I love Ric's fresh and melodramatic style of singing, have you ever considered releasing an instrumental version of the albums? I only ask because I think it would be easier to study the musical complexity without having to ignore the brilliant singing.

No absolutely not. His vocals are an essential and integral part of the music. It wouldn't sound right without them.

I've started practicing 6/8 time. Which I find quite easy to grasp, however, I'm always accenting the 'one' of every group of 3 (ONE two three, ONE two three), either with a stomp of the bass drum or a crack of the snare. Could you suggest an alternative way of counting 6/8 so I could play it without it sounding so monotonous or predictable?

There are of course many variations - you could put the snare on beat 5 for instance - but depending on the music you're playing it might not be appropriate. You could anticipate the normal place for the snare beat by a 16th. That's what I do in the verse of "Break" on the album Circles.

Hi EJWest

I noticed you were doing a certain brush pattern on the snare during Black Dahlia I think, it looked like you were doing circles with your left hand, while hitting and then sliding with your right. Is that correct?

Yes that's correct.

Hi sonorplayer

Could you share any thoughts on Giant Step? Do they hold up? I'm not a crazy double bass player. I like to work them into fills...that's about it. Are light or heavy pedals? How smooth would they be?

Yes they are great pedals - and feel really smooth. They can feel heavy or light depending on how you set them up with the springs and various adjustments.

Hi dtl

now that the porcupine tour is over can we look forward to an 05ric-gavin harrison tour maybe next year?

That would be great fun - but at the moment we're just concentrating on the next record.

Hi gibeachhead

Curious if you'll be lending your talents again on the next Steven Wilson solo album?

Right now - I've no idea.

Hi jojojojojo

i heard Thomas Lang did an audition with Dream Theater.
Is there any chance you might join Dream Theater?
Or is it just PT and your studio stuff at the moment?


What? Mike Portnoy has left Dream Theater? Are you sure?

Cheers
Gavin
 

euphoric_anomaly

Senior Member
Gavin,

Yes it's true, Portnoy did leave Dream Theater.
http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=59646

I recently fell in love with your work on OSI's album "Blood".

I noticed in Radiologue, you do the same fancy offbeat footwork that you did in Futile -- where the double bass roll seems displaced by a 16th note, something like that. I think the name for the type of fill was Herta???

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the title track to the album is (at least the intro) 10/8.

Thanks
 

RogerTheShrubber

Junior Member
Hi Gavin,

Don't you just love the endless questions? :) Hey I know you have heard this a million times but your knowledge is very appreciated. You obviously take a lot of time to answer the constant bombardment of query's about your drumming prowess and recording techniques. Once again many thanks for taking the time to answer everyone.

On that note I have a question ...

I know you like to use Space Designer when mixing but how many subgroups do you use? Or do you just get a good mix of everything and then send it to one aux bus and then apply reverb, etc ... ?

Thanks again,

Charles
 

Cozy

Member
HA!!! Did Portnoy leave DT!!! You guys are funny. By the time you asked that I believe, I say I believe, that Gavin has already auditioned for DT.. Now of course this is a guess and I am NOT speaking for Gavin. I know the auditions were beginning this past week. As a matter of fact I had HEARD Gavin was auditioning, but that means nothing and is just a rumor unless Gavin confirms. Once again, I HEARD, that there were some heavy hitters audtioning, Harrison, Minnemen, Morgenstein to name the three I heard specifically.
 

Yuriy Kononov

Junior Member
Inspired here!

Greetings, Gavin.

You gave me so much inspiration.
I have recorded an album with a band.
And I really want you to listen to this record.

What is the easiest way to send it directly to you?

Hopefully waiting for your answer.

ARE YOU SURE?
Gavin is very very busy, so nice he answers all these questions - but checking out recordings (would be 500 a week) is for sure much too much - so please!!!!
Bernhard
 
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D-a-n-i-e-l

Junior Member
hi gavin,

i would like to know a few things about the "in absentia" sessions.

1) how much time did you have to prepare for the session? were there any drums on the tracks, when you got them?
2) what were your thoughts and feelings, when you first heard the music?
3) why did you use dw-drums on this album? how did they feel/sound compared to your sonor-kit? did you like them?

thanks again,
all the best,
daniel
 
HA!!! Did Portnoy leave DT!!! You guys are funny. By the time you asked that I believe, I say I believe, that Gavin has already auditioned for DT.. Now of course this is a guess and I am NOT speaking for Gavin. I know the auditions were beginning this past week. As a matter of fact I had HEARD Gavin was auditioning, but that means nothing and is just a rumor unless Gavin confirms. Once again, I HEARD, that there were some heavy hitters audtioning, Harrison, Minnemen, Morgenstein to name the three I heard specifically.
Sounds like you believe everyone wants to play in that "fantastic" band !?
I wouldnt want to play there....
 

oldskooljay

Junior Member
Hi Gavin,

I just finished a cover of Wonderful Slippery Thing from Guthrie Govan and Pete Riley and I was looking to cover Quite Firm from Laurence Cottle but, I can only find a live recording from 1995. You said it was only done for you and your DVD, but is there anyway for the public to get their hands on it? And if not, would you ever consider releasing it? (with Lawrence's permission obviously)

It's sugar for the ears. Any feedback would be great.

Thank you,
Jay Dickson
 
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