Fast Single Rolls (Suggestions)

johnbarnesiii

Senior Member
Hey guys,

I'm getting back into playing and would like to develop speed for my single rolls around the kit and was really inspired by this guy, see the rolls at 3:56 onward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRWAAUtdmPE

What are your suggestions for building this kind of speed? I saw a vid online that said to practice with a metronome, slowly increasing the speed over the days of practice. Is it better to practice on a pad or a kit?

Any detailed suggestions would be great, if there's already a thread like this a forwarded link would be great too.

Thank you!
 

achdumeingute

Senior Member
Video is bad quality...so it's hard to really know what this guy is doing for technique.

When you mention single stroke roll, I'll assume you mean one wrist movement per hit. An exercise I do to develop is play 16th notes on one hand to 10, then switch hands, and repeat. I use a met for this, and increase/decrease tempo as appropriate. So basically 160 strikes on one hand, then 160 on the other. Pad or actual drum doesn't matter much because I'm not using any rebound.

Another point though (IMO) is why do you want to play "true singles" this fast. You can (and your video guy might be) use stuff like moeller and "free stroke" technique (or some form of rebound utilization) to get the same sound with less physical energy. I just looked at mike Manginis WFD video from 2006 and for his 1200 hits in a minute and he's using like "flying fingers" technique to accomplish this.
 

PeteN

Silver Member
Hey guys,

I'm getting back into playing and would like to develop speed for my single rolls around the kit and was really inspired by this guy, see the rolls at 3:56 onward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRWAAUtdmPE

What are your suggestions for building this kind of speed? I saw a vid online that said to practice with a metronome, slowly increasing the speed over the days of practice. Is it better to practice on a pad or a kit?

Any detailed suggestions would be great, if there's already a thread like this a forwarded link would be great too.

Thank you!
A pad is great for practicing technique and for building muscle memory but it will only get you so far on an actual kit. You will need to practice on the actual kit to build up speed "around" the kit. Practice slow rolls from left to right and right to left on your kit, the end drums or first and last will receive odd number hits all drums in between even number of hits. Here is a youtube vid where that explains this better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrl9ihGcHKg

You can practice what he's showing you with nylon brushes and the benefit of nylon brushes is that it teaches you to play out of the drums instead of into them, and I would practice this using the french grip. A fast yet gentle pull out motion is what you need to get comfortable doing to pull out a nice tone out of your drums using the nylon brushes. Practice that an hour a day is you can and you'll see some serious progress with your actual sticks. I might get flamed by the technique police here but it really works well.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Start slow at about 60 BPM until your hands are playing nice even strokes. Then go to 80 BPM etc. If you want to be fast by tomorrow forget it. It takes a long time, especially if you want them smooth around the set. be patient.
 

hvymtlmike

Senior Member
Here's my advice. Developing the GREAT speed works in stages. This is how I do it. I practice on the pad at home for 45 min to an hour while watching tv strictly working the hands. Starting off with one hand continuously back and forth for a few minutes then single stroke roll to metronome (alternate starting with right and left on the down beat, will benefit in the long run) working with wrists get them up to as fast as i can strictly using wrist, get a burn then work on fingers combined with wrists same thing, then finally flying fingers. The next day take it to the kit using a metronome so you can establish the actual roll around the kit. Keep it up as a routine.
 

achdumeingute

Senior Member
Thank you I will look into your suggestions. Ronald Brunner is another with crazy fast hands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el_Qs5YDkbw does he use the techniques you are describing?
I'd call most of the fast stuff in that free stroke technique.

There is also this thread:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1255&page=1

Also look up the "stone killer" excercise, great for singles.

Ps...don't know why these drum videos pan out...I could care less about "the band".
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
I hear people say to practice on the pad for x number of hours blah blah blah but no one says how to hold the stick, or instruct you in the mechanics of the stroke. I'm not going into that either, because it's a war starting thread. But you have to practice those x number of hours with a good technique or it means nothing.
 
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