Emperors vs G2 for resonants

JesusMySavior

Silver Member
I'm thinking about going with a 2 ply this time for the resos on my masters kit. Which product makes a better RESO? Both roughly the same price.

Heads on top will be Evans Power Center. I don't use much dampening, just a moon gel here or there. Thanks!
 

incrementalg

Gold Member
You'd probably be hard pressed to tell the difference especially on the resonant head...IMO.

What are you looking for sound wise to want to try 2 ply on the reso?

I had a Pearl BLX kit back in the 90's and tried Emperors on a couple of resos. I feel like it sucked the life out of the naturally EQ'd qualities of the birch shell. The highs became a little too muted for my taste.
 

JesusMySavior

Silver Member
Just something different to try I guess. I have evans genera resos on theeee right now, they are four years old. Time to switch it up I guess :)
 

porter

Platinum Member
If you've tried both brands on batter and preferred one, I'd just go with that.

I believe Matt (Bo Eder) has used these as resos before. He may chime in.

If you haven't tried them, G1s are great standard resos. A little darker than Genera Resos. You could also try G12s which are, again, more dark and take a little more power to activate, or Power Centers on bottom too (which I haven't tried but seem to be a little more popular than 2-ply resos).
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
With the ease of tuning and wider tonal range (not to mention greater resonance) of the G2, that seems like a logical choice when looking for a reso head.

What size drums are you putting them on and what do you have for batters? Have you tried a two-ply reso before?
 

Bull

Gold Member
I think a 2 ply reso would be a little too dead on anything smaller than a 12".
 

FritzDrummer

Senior Member
When you do this, I am interested in hearing audio samples of how it turns out!

A before and after would be really cool, doesn't even have to be high quality samples. I want to hear how much more dampened it is. Enough to still have some tone or so dead that all the sounds are coming from the heads and it sounds like hitting a pillow?
 

Andy

Administrator
Staff member
You'd probably be hard pressed to tell the difference especially on the resonant head...IMO.
Resonant heads - the forgotten heroes of a good drum sound, & often neglected. In my journey of experimentation through our fairly exhaustive R&D program, I find the contribution of the resonant head to be at least equal to that of the batter head, if not more so.

Another affect of increasing the weight of a resonant head (somewhat counter intuitively) can be to open up the sound & lengthen the note, especially at lower tunings, & on smaller drums too. There's no rules, but typically a 2 ply head used on the resonant side will apply the brakes to head sustain compared to a single ply head of the same weight. That doesn't mean it a poor choice, it's just a consideration when shaping the voice of the drum. Wether it works well or not, is also very individual drum dependant.
 

porter

Platinum Member
I think Incrementalg was referring to the difference between Emperors and G2s on the reso.
 

incrementalg

Gold Member
Resonant heads - the forgotten heroes of a good drum sound, & often neglected. In my journey of experimentation through our fairly exhaustive R&D program, I find the contribution of the resonant head to be at least equal to that of the batter head, if not more so.

Another affect of increasing the weight of a resonant head (somewhat counter intuitively) can be to open up the sound & lengthen the note, especially at lower tunings, & on smaller drums too. There's no rules, but typically a 2 ply head used on the resonant side will apply the brakes to head sustain compared to a single ply head of the same weight. That doesn't mean it a poor choice, it's just a consideration when shaping the voice of the drum. Wether it works well or not, is also very individual drum dependant.
I agree with you. I meant the OP would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the Emperor and G2 on the reso side.
 

BigG

Member
Am I the only one that is lost in this whole thing?.. I mean, it's the OP's kit, he can try what ever he wants but I don't see ANY reason to put a 2ply head as a reso. Maybe I'm the odd man here but they will totally suck all the life out of toms instantly! Muddy, thuddy, dead toms is what you will have. If your trying to tone down overtones or get a deeper sound, throw on a set of $6.00 studio rings. Again, maybe I missed something along the way but reso heads are very important to the overall drums sound and a lot of people never even tune them when they tune their batters, let alone change them out when needed. They provide body, resonance, and are responsible for that beautiful tone that comes from a drum... I don't know, maybe I'm nuts here!
 

Andy

Administrator
Staff member
I agree with you. I meant the OP would be hard pressed to tell the difference between the Emperor and G2 on the reso side.
got you - sorry, I got the wrong impression from your post ;)

I don't know, maybe I'm nuts here!
Not nuts at all, but a weighty resonant head can work really well on certain drums, & in specific circumstances, even matched two ply batters & resonants can work well together - although rare.
 

EricT43

Senior Member
Am I the only one that is lost in this whole thing?.. I mean, it's the OP's kit, he can try what ever he wants but I don't see ANY reason to put a 2ply head as a reso. Maybe I'm the odd man here but they will totally suck all the life out of toms instantly! Muddy, thuddy, dead toms is what you will have. If your trying to tone down overtones or get a deeper sound, throw on a set of $6.00 studio rings. Again, maybe I missed something along the way but reso heads are very important to the overall drums sound and a lot of people never even tune them when they tune their batters, let alone change them out when needed. They provide body, resonance, and are responsible for that beautiful tone that comes from a drum... I don't know, maybe I'm nuts here!
Theoretically, one can get the most resonance out of a drum by using the same heads top and bottom, tuned to the same pitch. Now, this doesn't mean that using 2-ply heads gives you max resonance, but if you are using a 2-ply on the top, then using the same head on the bottom and tune them the same, you will get the most resonance you can get with that head.

I'm experimenting to see if the theory holds true in practice. 12" tom with coated G2 on top and a clear G1 on bottom. Going to swap it out for another coated G2, tune it to the same pitch, and see what the difference is.
 

gdmoore28

Gold Member
Resonant heads - the forgotten heroes of a good drum sound, & often neglected. In my journey of experimentation through our fairly exhaustive R&D program, I find the contribution of the resonant head to be at least equal to that of the batter head, if not more so.

Another affect of increasing the weight of a resonant head (somewhat counter intuitively) can be to open up the sound & lengthen the note, especially at lower tunings, & on smaller drums too. There's no rules, but typically a 2 ply head used on the resonant side will apply the brakes to head sustain compared to a single ply head of the same weight. That doesn't mean it a poor choice, it's just a consideration when shaping the voice of the drum. Wether it works well or not, is also very individual drum dependant.

I'm curious. Have you tried a Diplomat weight resonant head in your experimentation? I've had fine results from that combo, with a little more resonance - though certainly incremental. I once tried snare side Diplomats on a couple of toms and the sound was terrible, even though the raspy resonance was quite entertaining.

GeeDeeEmm
 
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