Michael Bedard
Member
Here's what EFNOTE is premiering at NAMM 2023, the EFNOTE PRO.
EFNOTE PRO at NAMM 2023
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Averagebear6
Junior Member
EFNOTE is incredible!!!
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
Sounds great for for that setup you probably spend way over $10k, for half of that I can get the Roland TD-27 brain plus the digital hats, snare and ride, and convert an acoustic kit plus add all those extra cymbals, and not only would my drums look and play better, I can mix and match to taste since I am not depending on a company to come up with a specific setup.
Averagebear6
Junior Member
I strongly considered getting a Roland TD-27 and then buying kits from eDrum Workshop because Roland's drum sounds do not hold up at all for my recordings. The Efnote 3 had excellent acoustic drum kits, great hardware, and features I wanted in the module like EQ. Happy to say my Efnote drum sounds are excellent in recordings. I am a huge fan of Roland gear since 1985! I still use my Roland VS recorders, but their drum sounds were the deal breaker for me. That said, I would like Efnote to make more available for free or purchase. Hope that's in Efnote's plan.
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Bo Eder
Platinum Member
On the issue of “real” or “not real” useable sounds: I figure it’s not real to begin with, so why do the sounds have to be real? If you wanted real, 10K buys you some pretty nice drums plus mics and your own mixer.
I’m sorry, I’m just not getting my head around this “it doesn’t sound real” business, because there’s an obvious solution if you want real with negligible cost differences.
I use the ancient TD10 sound module when playing with my Zendrum, and I’ve never once had somebody complain my drums didn’t sound like drums. It might be obvious to them that they don’t see any drums, either. Which is how I feel when I see a set of pads - I don’t see drums so I don’t expect them to sound like them.
Sorry for the de-rail. I’m sure these eDrums are incredible.
I’m sorry, I’m just not getting my head around this “it doesn’t sound real” business, because there’s an obvious solution if you want real with negligible cost differences.
I use the ancient TD10 sound module when playing with my Zendrum, and I’ve never once had somebody complain my drums didn’t sound like drums. It might be obvious to them that they don’t see any drums, either. Which is how I feel when I see a set of pads - I don’t see drums so I don’t expect them to sound like them.
Sorry for the de-rail. I’m sure these eDrums are incredible.
Averagebear6
Junior Member
For me, the end result is how they sound in the recording. To my disappointment, Roland drum sounds just don't hold up in my recordings. I used to have a Boss DR880, and I can still hear that flavor in all the Roland modules. Elektron had much better sounds, not considering real sounding or not.
I wish it weren't so, their features and build quality are state of the art. I've had Roland guitar pedals, drum machines, amps, synths and drums, and they last forever, so please Roland, get someone sharp to get you better drum sounds, like Luke at eDrum Workshop.
I wish it weren't so, their features and build quality are state of the art. I've had Roland guitar pedals, drum machines, amps, synths and drums, and they last forever, so please Roland, get someone sharp to get you better drum sounds, like Luke at eDrum Workshop.
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toddmc
Gold Member
It's really just for "your own hearing pleasure".
It's true the average punter won't know the difference between your TD-10 module and Superior Drummer 3 sounds but the difference is night and day when playing through headphones (and the discerning drummers ear of course).
Plus, 10K only gets you ONE nice-sounding A-kit as opposed to any sample you can imagine
toddmc
Gold Member
I doubt Roland will change up their modules anytime soon (I agree the over-compressed sound is not the best) but at least the DWe's won't come with a module at all so you can connect directly to whatever software you like.
toddmc
Gold Member
Great looking drums, crappy looking module.
I realise it doesn't really matter what the module looks like (as long as the sounds are good) but damn, at least put SOME effort into it
Michael Bedard
Member
9K and this is the fully expanded layout. Hat on this kit are 3 zone with cup, and feel better than the Roland 14D's. Snare feels better to play on than the Roland digital, though it does not have PS, I don't need that. The sounds are not modeled, they are sampled incredibly, output 48K 24bit and are all wide, large stereo samples. Five 3zone cymbals, two 2zone and a 3zone hat. Stackable cymbals, FX cymbals, the bookend sizes of the industry (8" to 20"). The only module out there using balanced XLR outputs straight to the board, no more inst cable > DI box > XLR cable > sound board. This is a pro level module and from a company that debuted in 2020 a couple weeks before Covid... It's a crazy level-up.
Here's what 9K gets you with Roland vs what it gets you with EFNOTE. You can customize the EFNOTE setup 18 different ways
Doraemon
Well-known Member
I still don't get why anyone trying so hard to make a good high-end product skimps on round robin. No matter how great a sample is, I don't want to hear it 20 times in a row. An XLR output is little help if you need to add a Macbook there to run a VST... The kits are beautiful and I'm sure they trigger well, but I wouldn't enjoy this sound. Also not sure about the grey cymbals, it's unique and all, but just looks dirty... It's a good thing to see new companies emerging and pushing innovation though. I just think it's still way behind other technologies (my phone has an AI camera e.g.)...
Michael Bedard
Member
Ironic to have the amount of Roland users that lost their mind at NAMM, then come home and check all these silly comments. Got plenty of positive feedback and critique on these from Mark, the head of the DW project and Pat the head of the Roland project the last few days. A couple of the best audio engineers in business came by and absolutely loved the sounds and pro signal flow. Then come on here for the real experts. You definitely don't need a VST with these, but if you want one, just run and route it right through the module to the house. That's what it's there for. It may be time to stop trying to mix front of house from the kit and let the engineer do their job. To say "put some effort into it" takes not having any awareness of what really goes into this. It's not a war, we're all trying to push this thing forward. If you feel so strongly about it, try manufacturing or developing your own. You'll be humbled by the process. Or maybe post a video of you creating anything...
doggyd69b
Platinum Member
I’m not an expert by any means, but I have been playing and building electronic drums since the 1980. I did developed a very rudimentary module similar to the Alexis I/O, of course, to develop anything like today’s modules you need a team of engineers, programmers, etc, etc. no one can just do it alone, and of course all that costs money.
I believe I could be part of a developing team, and being a drummer my input might mean more than that of an investor, but of course we all know the investor will always have the final say. All they care about is return in investment, and the sooner the better which is why Alesis was debuting all those unfinished kits that didn’t need to be released that soon.
Michael Bedard
Member
All so true. All of the advances that evolved this kit from the existing line, came from listening to our audience. Stayed very present ion forums and chose to make a hierarchy of those needs and balance and compromise, in order to create these new features. Our founders took no raises after a stellar couple years, but instead dumped everything back into developing and evolving a better product. more to come!
Michael Bedard
Member
I'm excited to try the DW kits and still have my OG Versa Trigger rig. Love that companies are stretching the market.
toddmc
Gold Member
I feel I should qualify that my comment was aimed squarely at the aesthetics of the module and nothing else (I mean, it looks like an overgrown Gameboy FFS).
Then again, it IS meant to be a low profile module which is what some people may be looking for and if you say it's good enough to go toe-to-toe with Roland modules I certainly believe you (myself and others have said MANY times how crap the Roland sounds are).
Michael Bedard
Member
Yes I understand. Not sure if you've ever scaled a business but in two years, six brand new drum kits were successfully brought to market, during Covid, at a more than competitive price point with Roland. Because of this, EFNOTE outsold Roland at eDrumcenter, as well as many other large drum dealers in North America. It was literally all uphill and sold enough to bring many firsts to the drum market. The look, format and profile of the module was very intentional from the start, partly to take the focus off of toaster-sized modules and to lay out a simple but powerful interface that inspires a drummer to drum, not nerd out in the weeds of modeling maple vs parka paneled studio walls. I was cutting albums and recording movie soundtracks after hours on EFNOTE kits in my office, then showing up in forums the next day listening to doubters who never played an EFNOTE tell everyone how cheap and crappy the kits were. They are tools, not toys, and yes the first series of six kits were very minimal because they had to be, until we sold enough to level up the next round, again and again. There are full circle things coming to fruition for the brand because of this. I do appreciate the dialog.