Educational threads vs. opinions, etc…

JimmyM

Platinum Member
Not saying that at all, just saying that this thread about questioning experts was born of that thread. So, rando forum poster is an expert. That's hysterical to me.
Man, that is a very big jump. I don't think dude presented himself as an expert whatsoever. Seemed to me he was told something that helped him a lot and thought he'd pass it along.
 

Stroman

Platinum Member
For clarity, the "swing the quarter note" thread...the OP is Marcus Gilmore.
Is it? I mean, I knew it was an admirer of Marcus - even named Marcus as one of his favorite players! - but there's no real system here to verify who is legit, as far as I know.

Maybe you have inside knowledge, Uncle Larry...
 

oldskoolsoul

Silver Member
..The part that has been most enjoyable about this thread is its based on the 1/4 note swing thread and has completely assumed that that starter of the swing thread is an expert at the subject.
An anonymous individual posted something and it has been treated like gospel. That, is absolutely hysterical to me..


Well, anonymous…..that depends a little who you ask…..to me the guy is not anonymous….which is all i can say about that..

But besides that, if that thread would have been dominated by people who are really into jazz and learning about jazz, would you think the discussion would have went like this..?

I think Todd said this perfect regarding such internet discussions..:

‘..You can win a social media exchange by proving the guy was a dick, but you are the career loser..’

People can be upset as much as they want here, but in real life, that quote really says just how is..
 

Matt Suda

Member
Is it? I mean, I knew it was an admirer of Marcus - even named Marcus as one of his favorite players! - but there's no real system here to verify who is legit, as far as I know.

Maybe you have inside knowledge, Uncle Larry...
Maybe it’s in bad taste to publicly wonder these things, but I don’t think so. The avatar is definitely Marcus, but the post history suggests someone else. I’m not implying anyone is trying to be deceptive; I’ve come to appreciate MG’s contributions regardless of their true identity.
 

opentune

Platinum Member
If he explained something in a way that wasn't easily understood or overly complex, I would 100% raise my hand and say "Mr. Rich, that made no sense to me, is there another way to go about the explanation?"
Asking questions because you don't understand is how you learn.
And I'm saying I'd pay to see/hear his response.
 

someguy01

Platinum Member
Man, that is a very big jump. I don't think dude presented himself as an expert whatsoever. Seemed to me he was told something that helped him a lot and thought he'd pass it along.
I'm not saying he did, I'm saying other members treated him as such and aside from Larry saying it's Marcus Gilmore, I have zero evidence that's the case. There are several clues that actually point to that not being the case at all. Whatever.
The point is, just because one is a supposed expert on something does not mean that they are infallible. Experts make mistakes all the time and asking questions is how we all learn and find some of those mistakes. Some folks prefer to see anything an expert says as gospel and beyond question. Cool. I think they're doing themselves a disservice, but that's their choice.
 

GetAgrippa

Diamond Member
Maybe it’s in bad taste to publicly wonder these things, but I don’t think so. The avatar is definitely Marcus, but the post history suggests someone else. I’m not implying anyone is trying to be deceptive; I’ve come to appreciate MG’s contributions regardless of their true identity.
This is a nice response and I agree-no matter who posted it was a worthy posit for all to appreciate. I wish I'd never commented about superfluous stuff unrelated to thread. If it Marcus I hope our discussion doesn't scare him away-it sure would me. I think part has been talking past each other and also conflating different things it seems from what I can decipher. I should remember what my Mom would tell me "Your missing the forest for the trees". But Mom the tree is in the way LOL. I think it's time to put this wet horse up to rest don't y'all.
 

Jeremy Crockett

Well-known Member
... I think part has been talking past each other and also conflating different things it seems from what I can decipher...

Thank you for this. I was wondering if anyone else had reached this conclusion.
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry" - Administrator
Staff member
The mods are here mainly to keep the peace. Settle disputes. Offer guidance with interpersonal relationships here. To be as diplomatic and as fair as we can to everyone involved. It's not a perfect scenario but it's what we have. I have no desire to warn people or edit peoples writings if they go off topic. That's not my job. No attacks, no moderation issues is my stance. The direction the thread goes is in the responsibility of the members. I don't edit anyone's thoughts, I step in when someone attacks another. Sometimes I have to delete unsavory comments. That's as far as I go personally.

Be careful what you ask for. I wouldn't want me or anybody else dictating what can be said here. I like that freedom. Along with it comes a little responsibility to keep things mature, fun, engaging and all the good stuff. I appreciate the diversity of opinions here. I think it's the mods responsibility to settle issues between members and I think it's the members responsibility to strengthen their toleration muscles for the benefit of the forum overall.

In my mind, forum mods are like the government of the forum. I don't want the government to dictate what I think or how to think.
 
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Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX

Diamond Member

cbphoto

Diamond Member
The mods are here mainly to keep the peace. Settle disputes. Offer guidance with interpersonal relationships here. To be as diplomatic and as fair as we can to everyone involved. It's not a perfect scenario but it's what we have. I have no desire to warn people or edit peoples writings if they go off topic. That's not my job. No attacks, no moderation issues is my stance. The direction the thread goes is in the responsibility of the members. I don't edit anyone's thoughts, I step in when someone attacks another. Sometimes I have to delete unsavory comments. That's as far as I go personally.

Be careful what you ask for. I wouldn't want me or anybody else dictating what can be said here. I like that freedom. Along with it comes a little responsibility to keep things mature, fun, engaging and all the good stuff. I appreciate the diversity of opinions here. I think it's the mods responsibility to settle issues between members and I think it's the members responsibility to strengthen their toleration muscles for the benefit of the forum overall.

In my mind, forum mods are like the government of the forum. I don't want the government to dictate what I think or how to think.
Blah-bla-blah.

And play Guru drums.
 

Rattlin' Bones

Gold Member
Well, i saw that one coming ofcourse the moment i posted the thread…..and…..ofcourse you are correct about that…

But, then let me ask you this..

Would you also be the one at a drum clinic who would say something like..:

“Ok Mr. Chambers, i heard you speak, but my opinion on the subject is…………….”

“Ok Mr. Erskine, thanks for sharing the information, but, also after trying to explain, what you say makes no sense..”

Or would you just sit there and listen..?

Because, in my experience, at such places, drummers just sit, listen and learn…

Which is how i think should be..

When a credible, knowledgeable player says something, you listen……simply….because….they know….

To me, arguing with someone who has more knowledge about a certain subject than i have, makes no sense..

Why would that on an internet forum be any different..?

And, is anyone who really wants to learn really helped with reading all those other opinions..?

My opinion is ‘no’..

But that question ‘is someone who really wants to learn helped..?’, is what made me wonder and post this..

At a drum clinic Erskine would demonstrate. I'd listen watch and learn.

The OP in the swinging quarters thread - when asked for clarification or a demonstration - chose deride degrade and put down anyone who didn't understand or wanted details and clarification.

Your analogy, OldSkool, isn't applicable.
 
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