While it's good to have a questioning mind, extending skepticism to individuals who have demonstrated expertise in an area and are able to back up their statements is a bridge too far. This is commonly the path of conspiracy theorists and others who can't be reasoned with.
For all aspects and genres of drumming, yes, I believe there is no one person that is an expert on all of it. As for there being experts on individual areas of drumming from technique to the individual genres, yes, I believe there are experts in specific areas of drumming.Do you believe nobody has that in the area of drumming?
For all aspects and genres of drumming, yes, I believe there is no one person that is an expert on all of it. As for there being experts on individual areas of drumming from technique to the individual genres, yes, I believe there are experts in specific areas of drumming.
That being said, a forum member with no known credentials and basically posting anonymously is being lauded as an expert based on the post. I take issue with that nonsense.
That was my biggest roadblock too. I understand playing with feeling and I understand placing/playing quarter notes in jazz vs. other styles. What threw me was calling it "swinging" the quarter note. Is that something I already do (but call it something different?) or is that some thing I haven't heard of and never played before either? I was hoping for more clarification, that's allThe “if you have to ask, then you don’t know” mindset in that thread was extremely unhelpful at best. Anyone posting along those lines can’t be surprised when people in good faith ask for clarification.
I shoulda looked at the sheet music first. I counted it, but that doesnt always work, as is the case here.I heard virtually all eighth notes, rather than quarters
I shoulda looked at the sheet music first. I counted it, but that doesnt always work, as is the case here.
Regardless, those hats are definitely not rigid and it feels so right.
I keep thinking about this, as I'm sure lots of folks are. If we were all to play the same pattern of quarters, say fff to ppp, without a model to follow, but kept the same tempo, they should all sound different. One drummers interpretation of fff to ppp will be different than the next. So if 20 of us did it, we should end up with 20 different versions of the same thing. The velocities and spacings would be unique to each individual, even with a common tempo. This, in my mind, is the swing.
AND.... to add to this,
those 20 different patterns are going to appeal to many different people...so are any of them technically "wrong"? Is any one single pattern THE textbook definition of correct?
bandleader A,B,C,and D might not like my pattern, but E,F,G, and H want to hire me on the spot....
It's a metaphor for "style" But seriously, I guess some people just don't have the gift of communication that I have. Some folks can say things in a way that's less convoluted, and I guess I'm an expert at it. What can I tell you? But yeah...style.Well, if we're talking mainly about playing quarter notes with style now, then I guess I'll put down my horse flogging stick thing. But that's pretty scaled back from the claims made in the original OP (first thread), wouldn't you say?
Right. It burns me up when people who obviously don't know what they're talking about talk like they're experts. Like on Talkbass, when someone says their pick, fingers, and slap sounds all vary wildly in volume, the quickest way to spot the non-experts is when they say, "Add a compressor." Well how about just working on your playing so everything's more even, THEN talk about the compressor?That whole ‘expert’-issue tells me 1 thing…
As a general rule, regardless the subject, the people who always start shouting “who the f*ck are you to be called an expert..?” to knowledgeable people, for sure themselves are NOT the experts…
To have that clear for myself, allready helps a lot to filter knowledge from internet forum nonsense…
Was he wrong? He had a lot of support from the lifer jazz drummers on here.The part that has been most enjoyable about this thread is its based on the 1/4 note swing thread and has completely assumed that that starter of the swing thread is an expert at the subject.
An anonymous individual posted something and it has been treated like gospel. That, is absolutely hysterical to me.
So thanks for that y'all!
Man, that is a very big jump. I don't think dude presented himself as an expert whatsoever. Seemed to me he was told something that helped him a lot and thought he'd pass it along.Not saying that at all, just saying that this thread about questioning experts was born of that thread. So, rando forum poster is an expert. That's hysterical to me.