EC2 vs EC2 Frosted vs Coated G2

konaboy

Pioneer Member
I sent this message to Evansspecialist but thought I'd also start a discussion here.

So the church I play at we have a yamaha stage custom and the usual sound issues with acoustic drums in a church that wasn't designed for contemporary music. Currently running Clear Remo Emperors on the batter and clear ambassador on the reso. I'm a fan of 2 ply batters and single ply reso and have been for 30 some odd years. They are looking for less attack and sustain, little "darker" sound not as bright a tone. So I was thinking the EC2 would be a good choice based on the construction of the head. I know coated heads typically offer more focus and body to the sound, so is that the same with the frosted EC2? Also considering the G2 coated as most of the sound samples I've heard it's more focused and has less attack compared to clear.

The other question I was wondering about was the reso, I've read thinner equals less sustain and I've heard there is an EC reso. Can you give me some idea what your recommendation for a reso would be. I was thinking maybe going as light as the resonant glass or would I be better of going with the EC reso? don't know much about that EC reso head

Thanks in advance
 

STXBob

Gold Member
My thoughts at random. As always, YMMV. ;-)

I'd stick with the G1 reso. A thinner reso won't net you much in this situation.

There is less difference between EC2 clear and coated/frosted than there is between EC2 and G2, between which there is an obvious difference. I like EC2s on certain toms but not uniformly around the kit; I have a 16" floor tom which loves EC2s and hates G2s. But then I have a 10" tom which sounds awful with EC2s and loves G2s. Don't fall victim to putting the same heads on everything without sonic reason.

I prefer coated heads, period. I'm going to spin some G2s on my gigging kit this morning for tonight's gig.
 

WallyY

Platinum Member
What about going with a set of Reso-7s on the bottoms and a set of muffle rings for the tops to suit the sound? That way you can use a batter with less aggressive coating and attenuate to taste.
 

konaboy

Pioneer Member
What about going with a set of Reso-7s on the bottoms and a set of muffle rings for the tops to suit the sound? That way you can use a batter with less aggressive coating and attenuate to taste.

Not a fan of external tone control rings, with all the head options out there no real reason to use them. Plus they really only kill the overtones and don't warm up the sound and are easily taken off or lost. Which is a possibility since I'm not the only one that uses this kit.
 
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Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
I've used the clear EC2/EC Reso combo for a number of years off and on. It's very clean, very controlled, and (on birch drums with sharp bearing edges) about as far from "warm" as you could possibly get.

If you want to really turn up the warmth and dial back the attack I'd recommend Aquarian Modern Vintage II or Deep Vintage II heads.

Here's a quick comparison video if you're interested...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDt_Xo6lHH8
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
As I mentioned in my message, I'd recommend checking out the Frosted EC2S over the new Reso 7 series if you have particularly resonant drums. This combination will help to tame them while maintaining the tonal depth.
 

Muckster

Platinum Member
I have been a fan of Clear EC2's over EC Resonants. I use them on a Birch kit and they sound great for recording as well as live.
 

Muckster

Platinum Member
As I mentioned in my message, I'd recommend checking out the Frosted EC2S over the new Reso 7 series if you have particularly resonant drums. This combination will help to tame them while maintaining the tonal depth.
Will the Reso 7's be available in Black or Clear?
 

R2112

Silver Member
One of the secondary sets at the church I play at is a Stage Custom. It's set up with G2 coated on batter side and G1's clear on the reso's. They sound great. Pretty controlled, not much sustain and decent attack. However if I was wanting even less sustain and attack I would recommend changing the reso's to EC reso's. In my experience, the EC reso's have a slightly less bright sound and less sustain than the G1 clear reso. IMO, the sound file on the Evans website isn't exactly accurate to what I've experienced when I experimented with EC reso's, Genera reso's and G1 clear reso's. The sound bite makes the EC reso sound like it has a very noticeable short sustain in comparison to the others. When to my ears, the difference was very minimal between them. From what you described as far as the sound you're desiring, I would definitely use G2 coated on the batters and either G1 clear or EC's on the reso's.


Or you could just go old school like me on my vintage Luddy kit...G2 coated batter and G1 coated reso :)
 

konaboy

Pioneer Member
The combo Evansspecialist suggested has me rather intrigued so going to give those a shot and see what it ends up sounding like. From what we discussed in a pm it should give me exactly what we are looking for. The Reso7 really is what has me most intrigued.
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
Will the Reso 7's be available in Black or Clear?
No, as the concept of the Reso 7 requires coating and that specific 7mil film. However, as Tommo referenced, we do have the Resonant Glass (6.5mil) and Resonant Black (7.5mil) heads if you'd prefer an alternative aesthetic. However, these won't sound the same as the Reso 7 due to the construction.
 

dzarren

Senior Member
I've used coated Resonants for a while actually, i find that almost no one does this, ever. But i have really great results.

I usually do it with kits that are of low quality, and they often, end up sounding great.

I must admit, i have not used evans on anything other than my snares.
I had a ddrum kit that was of inferior quality, i put Aquarian clear Studio X on all the tops of the toms, and put Aquarian TEXTURE COATED on the bottoms.
I think the kit sounds great now, quite controlled, and really warm. When i first bought it, the kit sounded terrible, and quite harsh, i think the coated resonant head really helped the situation drastically.

On my main kit, i had clear Ambassadors as the resos, but i decided to switch all those out for the Aquarian equivalent, the Classic clears. I did that because they serve as a blank slate of sorts, and dont contribute to the overall coloration, and it's easier to experience the differences that exist when changing heads out.

But the next time i get to changing out the batters, i may go for the Aquarian Coated Hi Frequency, which is a coated 7 mil head.




To EVANS SPECIALIST GUY
What is the film that the Reso 7 is made of? Or is that a super secret?
 

dzarren

Senior Member
I can't divulge the specifics of the material, but it is a unique, soft 7mil film that is ideal for shortening sustain without adversely affecting tone.
I see... :(

I guess i will just have to try it. I always find myself going for the most basic of the basics in terms of heads. My kit is huge, and for me to "explore" and find out that a certain resonant head isn't to my liking is a pricey horrible lesson.

This goes even more so for resonant heads, Ive only ever used Remo clear ambassadors and aquarian classic clears for resonants, im too scared to try anything else, just in case im dumping 150 bucks on something i dont like.
At least i can be assured that the clear 10 mil heads will work with essentially any batter head.
 

chris J

Senior Member
No, as the concept of the Reso 7 requires coating and that specific 7mil film. However, as Tommo referenced, we do have the Resonant Glass (6.5mil) and Resonant Black (7.5mil) heads if you'd prefer an alternative aesthetic. However, these won't sound the same as the Reso 7 due to the construction.
Can you describe the difference in sound between the Reso 7, the Resonant Glass and the Resonant Black? I'm looking for warmth and resonance.
 

konaboy

Pioneer Member
I see... :(

I guess i will just have to try it. I always find myself going for the most basic of the basics in terms of heads. My kit is huge, and for me to "explore" and find out that a certain resonant head isn't to my liking is a pricey horrible lesson.

This goes even more so for resonant heads, Ive only ever used Remo clear ambassadors and aquarian classic clears for resonants, im too scared to try anything else, just in case im dumping 150 bucks on something i dont like.
At least i can be assured that the clear 10 mil heads will work with essentially any batter head.

That's why you pick your favorite tom and experiment with that one before you wrap up a ton of money on all of them. If you like the sound a head combo gives you on that one then work on the rest ;-)
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
Can you describe the difference in sound between the Reso 7, the Resonant Glass and the Resonant Black? I'm looking for warmth and resonance.
The Reso 7 will provide the most warmth of tone but not so much resonance. These thinner heads are designed to decrease sustain/resonance. I would recommend coated G1 and coated G12 heads for your resos if you want more resonance and warmth.

That's why you pick your favorite tom and experiment with that one before you wrap up a ton of money on all of them. If you like the sound a head combo gives you on that one then work on the rest ;-)
Exactly! No need to jump into the deep end blindly.
 
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