DW 5000 Strap Pedal & DW 9000 Strap Pedal Input

Skilas

Member
So if I want to convert my DW 9000 pedal to a strap, do I have to change the cam? I'm thinking I'd get the same feel using the stock cam. That sounds right, right?
The 9000 comes standard with extra strap. Was your used? You only need one strap, no cam change.
 

KarlCrafton

Platinum Member
Oops, sorry, I thought that Larry wanted to maybe change to the strap cam.
It should have come with the chain and a strap like Skilas said.
Change out should be just a couple of screws.
 

Ghostin one

Senior Member
Make sure to use the screw that's flanged, or you'll wonder why your strap doesn't work after a while. I used the wrong one with a washer (i was unaware of the flanged screw's existence - nothing in the manual about it, lots of parts in the little bags...) and it failed after a couple months.
 

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larryace

"Uncle Larry"
The 9000 comes standard with extra strap. Was your used? You only need one strap, no cam change.
I have 2, one was used, 1 was new but I got it probably 8 years ago and I don't think it came with one. If It did, I tossed it. I could just buy it and it would fit right on right?
 

Skilas

Member
I have 2, one was used, 1 was new but I got it probably 8 years ago and I don't think it came with one. If It did, I tossed it. I could just buy it and it would fit right on right?
Exactly. And if you do not want to wait then take an old leather belt and cut it, works perfect. That's another advantage of straps versus chains. You have so many options.
 

TJK

Well-known member
The cam with a chain on this pedal (DW5000) is different than the cam for the strap. It's never going to be apples to apples.

The feel of a DW 5000 with the strap cam feels much different than the same pedal using a (single or double) chain.
Just sitting down and hitting a drum might not feel too different, but in actual playing it does.

The feel between the footboards also feels different. One version has a fatter footboard, and the other has the original, skinnier style.

I really like my skinnier footboard strap 5000, but when I went to get a new one, it had the fatter footboard and didn't feel anything like my original one. I had it over a month, and did every adjustment you could, and it didn't feel as good to me.
Using the "engineering specs" between the two, the footboard shape really shouldn't have affected the feel in any noticeable way. But it did. In all other ways, the pedals were the same, because it was before they changed to the red cross bar. Same cam, same posts, same strap material, same Delta hinge, same spring adjustment which was the NON rotating spring.

The feel of a strap or chain with the Pearl Eliminator using the chain or strap is a little different because the chain links react differently than the solid strap material. The basic feel is "the same" because you can use the same cam style to compare.
On my Pearl Eliminators (original and Red Line), I prefer the strap to the chain. I like how it reacts more than the chain.

I found that the eliminator strap was stiffer than the iron Cobra strap which was Kevlar. Didn’t care for the pearl strap. I’m a design engineer and hell yes there’s a difference in feeling of the 2. As far as the double chain I prefer it to the pearl strap. I would love it if the pearl strap was Kevlar
 

Skilas

Member
I found that the eliminator strap was stiffer than the iron Cobra strap which was Kevlar. Didn’t care for the pearl strap. I’m a design engineer and hell yes there’s a difference in feeling of the 2. As far as the double chain I prefer it to the pearl strap. I would love it if the pearl strap was Kevlar
Yes that's right, I know the Pearl Strap. There are differences between the(modern) straps but only as long as you hold them in your hand. On the pedal, these differences do not matter because of their stiffness is compensated with the spring tension. In other words, your foot does not matter where the resistance comes from. The proportion of the strap is in any case extreme smaller than that of the spring.
 

TJK

Well-known member
Yes that's right, I know the Pearl Strap. There are differences between the(modern) straps but only as long as you hold them in your hand. On the pedal, these differences do not matter because of their stiffness is compensated with the spring tension. In other words, your foot does not matter where the resistance comes from. The proportion of the strap is in any case extreme smaller than that of the spring.

You are correct however the pearl strap stiffness acts like another spring oh so slightly changing the feel. Hey I think I am onto something here; trying strap material in various stiffness. Maybe even rolled titanium 😉
Seriously that or a sort of formed metal strap that is flexible but retains shape
 

KarlCrafton

Platinum Member
I found that the eliminator strap was stiffer than the iron Cobra strap which was Kevlar. Didn’t care for the pearl strap. I’m a design engineer and hell yes there’s a difference in feeling of the 2. As far as the double chain I prefer it to the pearl strap. I would love it if the pearl strap was Kevlar
I really like the Tama IC strap too.
The web is good, but it's sewn and reinforced. Really nice pedal.
I shortened my Pearl straps by 3/8ths. They feel more solid that way and I like the angle of the foot board, plus it kept the beater where I wanted it.

I just played on one of the new Speed Cobra's yesterday (I think--long footboard, direct, etc...) and really liked the feel. With a "normal" size footboard, I may have just gotten it.

Thinking I may get an IC strap again. It just feels really good. Actually, all the cams in that line feel good to me NOW, back 15+ years ago they didn't.
 

Skilas

Member
Your "experts" know even less than you. I've never experienced so much garbage at one time. Such "experts" are partly responsible for the fact that people like you believe in nonsense.
Did not you notice that the second video is a copy of the first one?
 
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Hollywood Jim

Platinum Member
Your "experts" know even less than you. I've never experienced so much garbage at one time. Such "experts" are partly responsible for the fact that people like you believe in nonsense.
Did not you notice that the second video is a copy of the first one?
NO. The second video is not a copy of the first one. The guy in the first video is apparently a keyboard player wearing a black Tshirt.
While the guy in the second video might be a drummer and he is wearing a white Tama shirt.


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Skilas

Member
NO. The second video is not a copy of the first one. The guy in the first video is apparently a keyboard player wearing a black Tshirt.
While the guy in the second video might be a drummer and he is wearing a white Tama shirt.

Really? You see everything!
 
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notvinnie

Senior Member
Your "experts" know even less than you.
My experts? Hahahahaha! I was just sharing a couple videos of people sharing their opinions regarding strap vs. chain. No need to freak out.
Whether you feel that they are virtually indistinguishable from each other doesn't matter one iota to me. Your opinion is no more valid than my cat's. And I don't even own a cat.
 

danondrums

Well-known member
As an engineer who worked in the cycling industry for a good number of years, I find the prevalence of the chain drive to be really odd. The distance between the pins in a chain do lengthen over time, there is an additional friction force of the chain matching up with and sliding over the sprockets and the amount of force produced from a bass pedal doesn’t require any of the advantages that a chain and sprocket do for a bicycle. So it’s quite a strange design to me.

What’s annoying is that it seems there’s almost no way to try out the different strap and direct drive options so to jump ship from the chain takes a huge leap of faith. I’ve played DW5000 pedals with chain drive for a couple decades but would say that my Ludwig Speed King that came with my first drum set ever 25 years ago was the best playing.

The differences I’m sure are pretty minimal so I’ve never justified spending the $ to switch things up, but from an engineering perspective the chain is a strange choice as the industry standard. Straps will offer less friction, less change in performance over time, will withstand forces just fine, be quieter, require less maintenance and should be cheaper as well... I don’t get the dominance of the chain.
 

Skilas

Member
I don’t get the dominance of the chain.
Why are the free-swinging Tom suspensions available? For the same reason why the chain has prevailed. People do not use their minds but do all the nonsense that marketing dictates.
 
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danondrums

Well-known member
Why are the free-swinging Tom suspensions available? For the same reason why the chain has prevailed. People do not use their minds but do all the nonsense that marketing dictates.
Interesting. I've always favored the suspension mounts. If not for sound, just to distribute the loading stresses more evenly.
 
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