Drum Machine

SlitYourDrums

Senior Member
Guys, I have a dilemma.
So my band is recording our first EP thingy, but we ran into a couple of issues.
My guitarist is completely capable of recording guitars and the such in hi-fi, but drums have become a problem. None of us own proper equipment and my e-kit doesn't sound realistic enough.
How blasphemous would it be for me, the drummer, to use a drum machine on the recording?
 

WallyY

Platinum Member
It would be extremely blasphemous to use a drum machine just for the sound.
Figure out how to use a vst like Calan mentioned, and do that.

Don't let the flat Earther's bully you into a drum machine.
 

Gel-Sol

Member
You could use both. Do what works best for the song.

I'm primarily a synth/guitar guy, so I don't have a bias either way in regards to drums/percussion.

Connect your ekit's brain into a soundcard via midi, and enter in your playing that way. Then find a good sampler pack for your drum sounds. I like the Abbey Road 60s/70s drums from Native Instruments. They work in a sampler like Kontakt. I believe Native Instruments has a free player.
 

SlitYourDrums

Senior Member
Thanks for the replies.
I hadn't even thought about using MIDI and libraries and all that good stuff. Thanks, all I need is a MIDI-USB cable, correct?
 
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Matt Bo Eder

Guest
Wait a minute, are you sure you can't record real drums? HOw are you recording stuff in the first place? We'd need to know that. And even if you don't have alot of gear, you can make outstanding recordings with just two mics. I've put a nice overhead mic and a mic in front of the kick drum and gotten great results.

Are you guys recording into computer? Tape? How?

One cool thing Stewart Copeland did with the police, was let the other two guys use a drum machine so they could record, and then he would overdub real drums later. You guys could do that too.
 

SlitYourDrums

Senior Member
Wait a minute, are you sure you can't record real drums? HOw are you recording stuff in the first place? We'd need to know that. And even if you don't have alot of gear, you can make outstanding recordings with just two mics. I've put a nice overhead mic and a mic in front of the kick drum and gotten great results.

Are you guys recording into computer? Tape? How?

One cool thing Stewart Copeland did with the police, was let the other two guys use a drum machine so they could record, and then he would overdub real drums later. You guys could do that too.

My guitarist has an AI and an iMac, and I have a USB mic. The USB mic works fine for Youtube, but it doesn't work very well for other things. It might just be because I'm a bad producer, but I don't really want to pay someone to do it.

And we are recording into a computer.
 

wildbill

Platinum Member
A drum machine will sound less realistic than you playing your e-kit.

Most drum machine grooves are rigidly quantized, and while you can fudge it a little,
there won't be the nuances that naturally come with playing live - even if that live playing is done on an e-kit.

Sometimes a rigidly quantized feel is what someone's going for. Depends on what kind of stuff you're doing.
If you're recording guitar though, it doesn't sound like you're after a techno type vibe.
 

SlitYourDrums

Senior Member
A drum machine will sound less realistic than you playing your e-kit.

Most drum machine grooves are rigidly quantized, and while you can fudge it a little,
there won't be the nuances that naturally come with playing live - even if that live playing is done on an e-kit.

Sometimes a rigidly quantized feel is what someone's going for. Depends on what kind of stuff you're doing.
If you're recording guitar though, it doesn't sound like you're after a techno type vibe.

Nah, we are playing Athiest/Cynic type metal, so...
 

SlitYourDrums

Senior Member
Ok, new intentions.
I'm going to use my next paycheck and such to buy a little bit of recording equipment. I am a newbie at this, so don't make fun of me.
What do I need? For example, a 4-mic setup. Obviously, 4 mics, and an AI. Is this all?
 
Nah, we are playing Athiest/Cynic type metal, so...

I'm more the Atheist/Skeptic type... A cynic already has his mind made up, whereas a skeptic is willing to consider new evidence :)

To chime in, I use an eKit in the studio but run it through VST plug-ins to get that perfect kit. One caveat is that you will need a decent sound card if you are to monitor yourself live (as in listening through headphones while you play). Latency is a huge issue issue when tracking drums especially, and a few milliseconds delay can really throw off your timing. You may get adequate results with what's built into your system already, but be aware that latency will be a big factor in your ability to go the MIDI/VST route.
 
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