Did WFLIII drums make a boo-boo?

NouveauCliche

Senior Member
Would the little "flaw" that we see really make that much of a difference in the overall sound? Or are we nitpicking here? :unsure:

Well - if it is doing what it looks like it might be doing - it's the entire bottom bearing edge that appear compromised - which is actually a problem.

Who's going to buy it and find out? DIBS NOT! ;-)
 

cbphoto

Gold Member
Shouldn’t they have cut the bearing edge after the powder coat?
 

rhumbagirl

Senior Member
Shouldn’t they have cut the bearing edge after the powder coat?
I think JW said it was a metal shell. But from the pictures here, I can't find a shadow under the metal bearing edge, so. I haven't read the original ad on Reverb though.
 

rhumbagirl

Senior Member
I don't think the unevenness on the bearing edge is really as it appears. I think we're seeing depressions/grooves on the drum head from the snare support strings, and perhaps the head has been removed and put back on with some slight rotation over the years.

Maybe it's a lemon soundwise, and the packing and reshipping from owner to owner, over and over again, taking off the heads (I know that doesn't make sense) and putting them back on again etc etc, could be the source of the rotation.

If the purchase allows returns, maybe it's time to bite the bullet (hard) and make the purchase.
 

Stroman

Platinum Member
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Here is the supra I was referring to. I can say without question that the texture on this shell affected sound, a lot.

The finish on the op drum has a more subtle texture, so I'm not sure how much affect it will have.
 

cbphoto

Gold Member
No, on a metal shell they generally do all the shaping, then apply whatever finish to the shell, including the bearing edges.
Hmm. Deal breaker. I want my heads touching bare metal, not a powder coat that can have large variations in thickness if not done correctly.

Besides, they “laser cut” the snare bed. Why would they do that when they’re gonna bake paint onto it and create variances as thick or thicker than the drumhead?

From the web site:

  • The shell is 3mm or 1/8″ aluminum, it has machined double 45 degree bearing edges (not rolled) and laser cut snare beds. Does not have a center bead.
 
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Stroman

Platinum Member
Hmm. Deal breaker. I want my heads touching bare metal, not a powder coat that can have large variations in thickness if not done correctly.

Besides, they “laser” the snare bed. Why would they do that when they’re gonna bake paint onto it and create variances as thick or thicker than the drumhead?

From the web site:

Ahh, I was actually mistaken about their manufacturing process. From the pic I though it was your standard rolled and shaped shell. I really don't have an answer for you on that, now!
 

mrmike

Silver Member
It's one thing if you bought the drum and it's shoddy but to start a thread based on speculation from a picture is not really fair to WFLIII. I just received a brand new 6.5x14 WFLIII mahogany snare I purchased from them direct and it is flawless and sounds fantastic. If there was anything not to my satisfaction they wanted me to let them know. This is what they said in an email.

"Great News! Our craftsmen are finished, our inspectors have gone over every inch, and your new WFLIII drum is on the way to you.
We’ve had so much fun building your drum and hope you will receive a lifetime of joy and satisfaction knowing you now own the very best!
Please take pictures and let us know your reaction when you open your package, hear the sound and feel the quality of your new WFLIII Drum for the first time. You can tag us on Instagram or Facebook. You are now part of the WFLIII Family, and we hope you will stay in touch and let us know about your playing experiences and any future needs you might have.

If for some unfortunate reason your drum does not arrive to you in absolutely perfect condition, let us know immediately so we can remedy any issues. You can contact us at info@wfliiidrums.com or call us directly at 773.459.2678.
Thank you again for choosing WFLIII Drums!"
 
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IBitePrettyHard

Senior Member
It's one thing if you bought the drum and it's shoddy but to start a thread based on speculation from a picture is not really fair to WFLIII. I just received a brand new 6.5x14 WFLIII mahogany snare I purchased from them direct and it is flawless and sounds fantastic. If there was anything not to my satisfaction they wanted me to let them know. This is what they said in an email.

"Great News! Our craftsmen are finished, our inspectors have gone over every inch, and your new WFLIII drum is on the way to you.
We’ve had so much fun building your drum and hope you will receive a lifetime of joy and satisfaction knowing you now own the very best!
Please take pictures and let us know your reaction when you open your package, hear the sound and feel the quality of your new WFLIII Drum for the first time. You can tag us on Instagram or Facebook. You are now part of the WFLIII Family, and we hope you will stay in touch and let us know about your playing experiences and any future needs you might have.

If for some unfortunate reason your drum does not arrive to you in absolutely perfect condition, let us know immediately so we can remedy any issues. You can contact us at info@wfliiidrums.com or call us directly at 773.459.2678.
Thank you again for choosing WFLIII Drums!"
It's great to see that kind of customer service!

I'm willing to give WFLIII the benefit of the doubt...it's unlikely they would miss something basic like the bearing edges.

But I think my observation is valid and should at least be questioned. That's why I phrased the title as a question instead of an accusation. I hope it's just the light playing tricks.
 

mrmike

Silver Member
Did you ask the seller? They might clear this up instead of possibly harmful speculation.
 

rhumbagirl

Senior Member
I personally find the discussion is less harmful speculation and more general metal snare expectations. Besides if we can't critique a percussion product on a drummer forum, where can we do it? And the snare is used.
 

Rattlin' Bones

Gold Member
I agree. And pic OP posted is so blurry I can't make sense of its. PLUS the OP didn't buy the snare - they just saw it on Reverb and decided to post this trouble-making thread.

It's one thing if you bought the drum and it's shoddy but to start a thread based on speculation from a picture is not really fair to WFLIII. I just received a brand new 6.5x14 WFLIII mahogany snare I purchased from them direct and it is flawless and sounds fantastic. If there was anything not to my satisfaction they wanted me to let them know. This is what they said in an email.

"Great News! Our craftsmen are finished, our inspectors have gone over every inch, and your new WFLIII drum is on the way to you.
We’ve had so much fun building your drum and hope you will receive a lifetime of joy and satisfaction knowing you now own the very best!
Please take pictures and let us know your reaction when you open your package, hear the sound and feel the quality of your new WFLIII Drum for the first time. You can tag us on Instagram or Facebook. You are now part of the WFLIII Family, and we hope you will stay in touch and let us know about your playing experiences and any future needs you might have.

If for some unfortunate reason your drum does not arrive to you in absolutely perfect condition, let us know immediately so we can remedy any issues. You can contact us at info@wfliiidrums.com or call us directly at 773.459.2678.
Thank you again for choosing WFLIII Drums!"
 

IBitePrettyHard

Senior Member
While we're on the subject, I just found this DW cast Aluminum snare with a "wrinkled" finish. Check out that bearing edge. It has the same problem that I am suspicious (but inconclusive) about with the WFLIII. If any of you can't see the bumpiness on that bearing edge, there's no hope for you, lol.

I'm still undecided about the WFLIII snare, but this DW is much easier to see. Bearing edges need to be baby's butt smooth, period. That bearing edge looks like a jagged mess. There is no doubt it will negatively influence the sound.

I'm sorry if some of you find this thread "harmful" or "troublemaking"...but I believe this is an incredibly valid concern. If we can't ask questions like this here, then where? As one of you suggested, I have messaged the seller about the WFLIII snare. Hopefully I'll get a reply, and I'll post any updates.

Here's the DW listing...
https://reverb.com/item/37839710-dw...m-snare-2000s-flat-black-dw-calls-it-wrinkled

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rhumbagirl

Senior Member
While we're on the subject, I just found this DW cast Aluminum snare with a "wrinkled" finish. Check out that bearing edge. It has the same problem that I am suspicious (but inconclusive) about with the WFLIII. If any of you can't see the bumpiness on that bearing edge, there's no hope for you, lol.

I'm still undecided about the WFLIII snare, but this DW is much easier to see. Bearing edges need to be baby's butt smooth, period. That bearing edge looks like a jagged mess. There is no doubt it will negatively influence the sound.

I'm sorry if some of you find this thread "harmful" or "troublemaking"...but I believe this is an incredibly valid concern. If we can't ask questions like this here, then where? As one of you suggested, I have messaged the seller about the WFLIII snare. Hopefully I'll get a reply, and I'll post any updates.

Here's the DW listing...
https://reverb.com/item/37839710-dw...m-snare-2000s-flat-black-dw-calls-it-wrinkled

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I'm wondering if it really has any impact on sound. The head conforms to the bearing edge with enough tension on it. And reso heads on snares are cranked pretty tight more often than not.
 
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