DCP Threads

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
I remember this happening to keep it simple- he felt obliged to quit because he didn’t want to come off as selling his product. I really like the DCP videos. If they were “here are the kits we got on sale”, or we have all these kits and price then I’d agree. But these are not direct sales in fact the comparisons help me buy the same product from whoever I like, and because I can purchase same item elsewhere more conviently I doubt I ever buy from them. No offense and I’d love to visit the store and buy if convenient. They do a great job selling drum stuff for Gretsch, DW, Sonor, etc. but I wager the majority use the info for comparison shopping to buy from Sweetwater or Amazon. And since all music stores have to compete with those giants I’d be a little forgiving cause odds are won’t be many music stores in time.
 
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GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
To me if you post a Youtube video here, and in the frame is a can of Coca Cola, or Budweiser, OK. You aren't selling it. Shane doesn't post or vocalize any pricing or availability, just, "I am Shane for DCP and here is a XXXXX snare to listen or consider."

On the "F" subject, if I see the F bomb, F***, or any other variation , it will be edited. There is a time and place, and this isn't it.
 

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
Oops did I drop it??? No whew-never know recently. But no mention of my Footpedal-and right now it's on sale for just $159.99 but I'll take other drum gear as a trade in for this new innovation-so if you have some fancy swanky Trick or another pedal-just send it on in. Yeah I know my sign says 189.99 but right now just for DW forum members I'm offering this even better price. So you actually. benefit from me advertising on here-so there is a perk. Ya got to see the big picture of the benefit we receive that likely customers that walk in the stores don't get. Tthe big bold oval is hiding the "proprietary technology" so my secrets don't get out. loewe-red-Suede-Sneakers.jpeg
 

Push pull stroke

Platinum Member
Oops did I drop it??? No whew-never know recently. But no mention of my Footpedal-and right now it's on sale for just $159.99 but I'll take other drum gear as a trade in for this new innovation-so if you have some fancy swanky Trick or another pedal-just send it on in. Yeah I know my sign says 189.99 but right now just for DW forum members I'm offering this even better price. So you actually. benefit from me advertising on here-so there is a perk. Ya got to see the big picture of the benefit we receive that likely customers that walk in the stores don't get. Tthe big bold oval is hiding the "proprietary technology" so my secrets don't get out. View attachment 91119
seems legit. LOL
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
I've watched a few of DCP's videos, and decided to dissect the most recent one (about China cymbals) that was posted on Wednesday.

It's a few seconds shy of 14 minutes, which I suspect is one of the lengthier ones.

Out of that 14 minutes, only 6 seconds near the end was devoted to any content that could be construed as a sales pitch, which was Adam the narrator saying "If you're interested in purchasing any of these cymbals, you can find direct links in the video description below." (They assume the viewer is watching on their YouTube page.) But that's it - 6 seconds - and certainly a rather benign 'sales pitch' as sales pitches go.

But above and beyond that single soft-sell moment in the entire video, was almost 12 minutes of cymbal goodness! Ten China types played in a few contexts, and each 'in the clear' which means you could sample them if you wanted, not that I'm suggesting that for anyone here who does programming... like me. (BTW, thank you Shane! :) )

Seriously, is there a problem with that? Did this video really come off as an ad? Certainly not for me, even as a cymbalholic.

If there is a demand to draw a hard line on content that might possibly, sub-consciously translate into personal gain for a member, it's gonna get ugly for those who post links to their YouTube channel, have their band's link in their signature, announce a new recording they're on, work for a music store and make any suggestion to come see them there, or happen to endorse a company's product and make any comments or answer any questions about that product. And of course the Classifieds thread would have to go.

I don't want to see any of that change, nor would I want to enforce it. This community would suffer if we couldn't share information, broaden our knowledge, and grow as players and musicians. The DCP videos contribute good information. The 'advertising' aspect of this video was less than 1% of the total time, and positioned near the end. You could watch the first 13 minutes minutes of that video, turn it off, and never know that they have those cymbals for sale. So when I said in an earlier post that they provide "good information that far outweighs the sales aspect", that was an understatement.

Bermuda
 

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
Wouldn't we have to ban any Youtube videos in Playing section if they are monetized because it's advertisement. Seems some discretion is wise-there isn't one size fits all. I found that out as a young lad going to the gas station restroom and buying ...... anyways one size don't fit all LOL.
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
I remember this happening to keep it simple- he felt obliged to quit because he didn’t want to come off as selling his product.
I recall that being a personal decision, and not because anyone suggested he was using Drummerworld to sell Guru Drums. :)

As such, given that Andy was sensitive to that, shouldn't he be criticizing the DCP videos? :)

BTW, I never had an issue with learning about Guru and proudly own this beautiful snare:

Guru_In-Tense_7x14.jpg

Not for sale, because, you know...
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
Wouldn't we have to ban any Youtube videos in Playing section if they are monetized because it's advertisement.
IF they're monetized by the channel owner who is also a member here, then yes.

Hey, that's a good idea! You're going to be the just-created Director of Social Media Compliance in charge of deleting the accounts of anyone who's making .0001 every time we watch their videos!

Seems some discretion is wise-there isn't one size fits all.
That's what I've been trying to say.
 
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Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
I've watched a few of DCP's videos, and decided to dissect the most recent one (about China cymbals) that was posted on Wednesday.

It's a few seconds shy of 14 minutes, which I suspect is one of the lengthier ones.
They've done some on a single company's range of drum lines that were much longer, closer to 30 minutes. The Ludwig one was especially informative to me. I love their drums, but being able to hear ALL of their pro-level drum sets side by side AND then an A/B/C/D back to back demo is something that is super helpful, informative, and isn't something I've seen anyone else doing.

And had about the same 1% "check out the links below if you're interested" blurb at the end.
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
I didn't know you got a Guru snare Jon.

You've kept this pretty quiet.

Any reason?
It was snare that was sent to the Nashville Drum Show (NSMD show?) and Andy offered a special price so that he wouldn't have to pay to ship it back to England. I bit. :)

I think I mentioned it here at the time, late-2014.

Bermuda
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
I think the Youtube scenario is more of the person trying to sell themselves, not gear. I have trouble buying gear now, so I amd sure i couldn't afford a drum playing human. And even someone saying, "here is my latest Youtube video", there is no one saying you have to watch it. When an ad comes on the TV set, switch the channel. Do the same here. They get paid, maybe, for clicks. No click, no pay.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Wouldn't we have to ban any Youtube videos in Playing section if they are monetized because it's advertisement. Seems some discretion is wise-there isn't one size fits all. I found that out as a young lad going to the gas station restroom and buying ...... anyways one size don't fit all LOL.
I've yet to find one that doesn't . I mean........
 
They've done some on a single company's range of drum lines that were much longer, closer to 30 minutes. The Ludwig one was especially informative to me. I love their drums, but being able to hear ALL of their pro-level drum sets side by side AND then an A/B/C/D back to back demo is something that is super helpful, informative, and isn't something I've seen anyone else doing.

And had about the same 1% "check out the links below if you're interested" blurb at the end.
Absolutel, and I don’t think there’s a single person here that doesn’t shop around anyway. I watched the Tama bb comparison to the birch walnut vid . I had been leaning that direction when I saw it . I decided on a bb with the help of that vid, but couldn’t find new in a 5 or 6 piece . Only 3’s and 4’s. Recently , as I stated earlier in the thread DCP had a NOS 7 piece Tama bb but I missed out on it . I wound up with a 6 piece used bb from forks . So new or used these videos help us make decisions . But I’d certainly shop around price wise no matter what’s in the video , They know this too . Sometimes they may have a better price, sometimes not but I never felt sales pitched to by that vid or their others . I would imagine lots of members here have watched their vids and used that info and bought lower someplace else or bought from DCP. Sometimes DCP may get a sale and sometimes not , but either way it would be because we were INFORMED . The info is what is coming through in those vids. It’s a personal and informed choice where to buy 👍🏻
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Choices are good. The option to pass on a choice is even better.

I wonder how many sales Shane has made for other companies. Meaning people who saw Shane's shootout videos but bought from Sweetwater for example.

We all know that's a thing, people go for the best price, ungrateful lot we are lol..

Shane has got to know this. But he's cool as a glass of lemonade in a heatwave. He has no control over who buys what where. His videos are good for himself AND the whole business. There's a certain honesty there as well. He will always have my respect for giving us something that only a guy like him can provide. Free of charge. His dime, his time. Plus his videos...are exactly what drummers want. I hope he does well.

Memphis Drum Shop....I love their videos. Sweetwaters are OK too. What separates Shane from the crowd....like Steve Maxwell, Shane is the owner and he's right out there on the front lines. Major cred. Roy Burns answers his phone. Gary Gauger sent me 2 RIMS clips free of charge because he recognized my area code when I called him asking for some to buy. (He's from PA too.) Evans always sends me free heads if I get a dud, Aquarian too. Things like that earn my respect. Giving back.

If I was asked who the owner of Memphis Drum Shop was, I wouldn't know.

I've given Memphis Drum Shop thousands of dollars, so I'm not downing them, they're great. WITH A CYMBAL COLLECTION THAT GOD HIMSELF COVETS lol. I've seen it. Hole. Lee. Crap. I'd say they registered at about a Bermuda Factor 5, and that was 5 years ago. I went ear blind and didn't even hear 20% of what they had.

Guys like Shane should be celebrated and not taken for granted.

In the past, we had NOTHING like this ha ha. Videos. Painless price comparisons. Shootouts. Free shipping. Waaa!

Blessings counted.
 
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