Damage control: take care of your stuff

Ransan

Senior Member
I guess I’m a little ocd but when I see these it makes me cringe-
Which is worse:
A cymbal mounted on a stand with top attachments completely removed?
Or a concert tom sitting in a snare basket?
 

Jml

Senior Member
I’m no expert but I think the tom sitting in the snare basket would damage the bearing edge, so that’s worse. I’ve seen plenty of cymbals with no top attachments.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Cymbal stands with no felt or wing nut on top is not a problem to me and the tom sitting on the rubber of the snare basket would take a while to harm the bearling edge unless it was so loose it slide around easily. and with no head how important is the bottom bearing edge, unless you were indeed talking about toms converted to concert toms.
 

Icetech

Gold Member
I never put a wingnut on my rides, i do on crashes cause sometimes i turn into animal and they weren't cheap :) i like toms to be in normal mounts though.. just personal preference though, i don't see an issue with it.
 

mmulcahy1

Platinum Member
I never keep the felts or wig nuts on my top of my cymbals.
 

Icetech

Gold Member
I’m no expert but I think the tom sitting in the snare basket would damage the bearing edge, so that’s worse. I’ve seen plenty of cymbals with no top attachments.

I thought concert toms don't have a bottom bearing edge or bottom lugs? i might be wrong though.
 

mikyok

Platinum Member
I don't use top felts on my cymbals, as long as there's a sleeve stopping keyholing you're fine. If the cymbal is free to move it sounds better. Don't watch Simon Phillips whatever you do!

What is more damaging is people who clamp crashes/hi hats down and hit into the cymbal. Sounds crap and they break very easily.

Concert tom in a snare basket wouldn't damage it unless you clamped it so tight the shall cracked.
 

MrInsanePolack

Platinum Member
I thought concert toms don't have a bottom bearing edge or bottom lugs? i might be wrong though.

I have 8" and 10" concert Tom's from the 70s. They have no bearing edges at the bottom. It's just a round over.
 

Bo Eder

Platinum Member
I'm getting back into no tops on my cymbal stands now because mine are mostly set-up flat. If yo had to use Simon Phillips angles, then a top is important to keep the cymbals from flying off, I suppose.

The tom issue will eventually damage the edges though. I've done when I was a kid, and that was just when I played at home mostly, so just a tom sitting in a snare basket being beaten on everyday by a kid who didn't know what he was doing. But back then, I think Slingerland and Ludwig both put a metal band on the bottom edge to protect the bearing edges.
 

Icetech

Gold Member
I had setup my ride at a bit of an angle just trying different things, i didnt' check that it had free movement and now it has a nice 1/4" crack at the hole.. 1 less istanbul mehmet in the world :( It's still fine but i replaced it so i don't make it worse.. love the thing. Mainly posted this in response to always checking for free movement, lesson learned.
 

alparrott

Platinum Member
I don't use felts on the tops of my cymbals, because I feel that it sounds better - more open, less pinched. I still have wingnuts on them, but they're low profile and the cymbal can't physically come into contact with them however hard I hit.

I do not own any concert toms and I do not put toms in snare stands, personal preference on both counts. I have a maple-shell snare shell I've turned into a timbale that occasionally I will put in a snare stand if I'm pinched for space, but we're talking infrequently as a snowstorm in June. Horses for courses, as Andy might say.
 

Dr_Watso

Platinum Member
I don't use felts on the tops of my cymbals, because I feel that it sounds better - more open, less pinched. I still have wingnuts on them, but they're low profile and the cymbal can't physically come into contact with them however hard I hit.

Along these lines, I leave them off if the room is dead... I put them on and cinch them a bit if I need the tone down the cymbals in an echo prone/small room.
 

Odd-Arne Oseberg

Platinum Member
I don't really see the problem.

I usually have to top felt and wing nut on, but it's probably more for looks. The exception being if I'm using my 8" splash and decide to hit it a bit hard. It will take off.
 

Ransan

Senior Member
Thanks for all the feedback, I would have to agree with the sentiments of the bearing edges will be under attack sitting in baskets simply put. On the other inquiry Many don’t have a problem On the wingnut felt-less attachment, my thought is I can see the cymbal swashbuckling on both sides of the mount rod causing keyholing, whether it has the sleeve or not. The inverse of being too tight and cracking along the edges. I could be wrong as most of you have experienced counter measures in keeping the cymbal either flat or just not axe handling them. Something to think about, or maybe not. Well thanks again fellas!
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
With my 10" splash cymbal, there are a few song endings where I literally punish it. I'm actually trying to break it. Have been since 2006 actually. The darn thing won't crack. It's pretty badly bent though.

Why you ask? It makes great theatre. A lot of times, it takes off for the floor. I would too. I use cymbal crowns (since I sit on a throne), they are wingnut-less. So the cymbal can breach the post with just the proper force and angle.

People love it when gear gets abused. Just ask Pete Townsend.
 

alparrott

Platinum Member
Thanks for all the feedback, I would have to agree with the sentiments of the bearing edges will be under attack sitting in baskets simply put. On the other inquiry Many don’t have a problem On the wingnut felt-less attachment, my thought is I can see the cymbal swashbuckling on both sides of the mount rod causing keyholing, whether it has the sleeve or not. The inverse of being too tight and cracking along the edges. I could be wrong as most of you have experienced counter measures in keeping the cymbal either flat or just not axe handling them. Something to think about, or maybe not. Well thanks again fellas!

Keyholing is much more likely against a metal tilter rod. I use sturdy nylon sleeves on all my stands, and replace them if they get worn. A metal surface rubbing against a nylon surface is very unlikely to wear at any noticeable rate - the nylon will wear long before a keyhole forms.
 

Ransan

Senior Member
Just tried to look up cymbal crowns on YouTube and couldn’t understand the language of users that demonstrated them. When I get off work and have more time I’ll look into those. I did see the cymbal chief if that’s the same concept, makes me believe that, if struck incessantly hard enough, could at times leave or ride up the sleeve and grate or rake at the hole a bit. Thanks I learn something new when I get with you guys. Also do y’all think that concert Toms on snare baskets that were holding tightly caused a high percentage of out of round drums? Just a postulation. Thanks again u guys! Also for Father’s Day, might want to bulletin this out as well, reverb is having a 15% discount on select gear.
 
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bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
Gotta meet ya half-way on the cymbal thing... pretty much all of the stands I use (including on tour) are set-up like this. No wingnuts to handle/lose, no felts to lose, and one-handed on & off. I will have saved at least an hour by the time I'm dead.

Bermuda
 

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Hollywood Jim

Platinum Member
Gotta meet ya half-way on the cymbal thing... pretty much all of the stands I use (including on tour) are set-up like this. No wingnuts to handle/lose, no felts to lose, and one-handed on & off. I will have saved at least an hour by the time I'm dead.

Bermuda

I have a couple of these cymbal toppers. They are great !
I want to buy more but I can't find them. Anybody know where I can get more?????


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Ransan

Senior Member
Yes Bermuda what kind of threaded toppers are those?-looks fail proof. Also I checked out the cymbal crowns from larryace’s post, more over, the YouTube feeds lead me to a dancing cymbal crown video that I thought was some what funny, but more of a revelation. It was a broken pronged crown that loosely threads on the cymbal stand and “danced” as the guy played his snare. I guess in short of my original post was these contraptions notwithstandin, should have been geared towards the use of cymbals just on a sleeve with top thread exposure, which I see a lot on YouTube drum postings. Thanks again for the insight!
 
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