Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

BertTheDrummer

Gold Member
I have a set of Zildjian Ks that I love and a set of Paiste 2002s that I love. However, sometimes I wish I could just meld the two and come up with something that is in between the two. I guess a combo of the two would be a better description than in between the two. Any ideas?

My Zildjian K's are a pair of 15" Light HiHats, 17 and 19" Dark Thin Crashes, and a 22" K Ride (I guess it is a med ride, it is the one that just says RIDE on it).

My Paiste 2002s are a pair of 15" Sound Edge HiHats, 18 and 20" Crashes, and a 22" Prototype Ride that is Giant Beat weight (2350g).

Both sets are on the thinner side except for the 22" K Ride. I like the complexity I get from the sounds of both cymbals especially the Ks. I like how the Paistes hit and get out of the way, so they don't muddy up the mix. I like the brightness and shimmering sustain but for some things it seems like they can be a bit much. The K's are sometimes too dark and washy.

I guess what I'm wondering is if there is something that is between the Euro and Turkish sounds?

I know to compare the two is apples and oranges, and I guess I'm looking for a grapple or something. I know such a thing might not exist but I figured I'd ask those on here if they had any ideas.
 
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pgm554

Platinum Member
You can try the Paiste Masters.
B20 bronze as opposed to B8.
Darker than 2002's and closer to a K.
 

BertTheDrummer

Gold Member
You can try the Paiste Masters.
B20 bronze as opposed to B8.
Darker than 2002's and closer to a K.

That was my initial thought as well, but the couple that I've tried so far I wasn't enamored with. Maybe I need to try out some more of them. The problem is they are pretty expensive, and I haven't really seen many (if any) around locally.
 

pgm554

Platinum Member
That was my initial thought as well, but the couple that I've tried so far I wasn't enamored with. Maybe I need to try out some more of them. The problem is they are pretty expensive, and I haven't really seen many (if any) around locally.

pretty expensive?

They should change their logo to Pai$te.

They really vary from their other lines.
I've played some I've liked and others sounded like aluminum hub caps.
 

Gottliver

Senior Member
How about an A391 pack? Unless of course you want another set of 15” hats. They should split those right down the middle.
 

BertTheDrummer

Gold Member
How about an A391 pack? Unless of course you want another set of 15” hats. They should split those right down the middle.
I had an A391 pack for a bit. The crashes weren't bad but still not quite what I think I'm looking for. I wasn't a fan of the 14" new beats or the 21" sweet ride.
 

wildbill

Platinum Member
You might want to try some Giant Beats.
I've only had the 24" ride, but IMO, it had a blend of qualities that I usually associate with either Paiste and Zildjian.
Clear, clean sound, but with a touch of complexity I don't hear with the 2002's, for example.
 

BertTheDrummer

Gold Member
You might want to try some Giant Beats.
I've only had the 24" ride, but IMO, it had a blend of qualities that I usually associate with either Paiste and Zildjian.
Clear, clean sound, but with a touch of complexity I don't hear with the 2002's, for example.

I've thought about the Giant Beats and/or the Big Beats as well.
 

EhhSoCheap

Member
What came to mind as I read your post were the Zildjian Avedis and Kerope lines. If you’re wanting to move away from the dark wash of K’s, Avedis seems preferable to Kerope.
 

TK-421

Senior Member
I'm thinking the new K Sweets. They'll have the warmth of your current Ks, but will definitely be a step or two in the direction of the 2002s as far as just a touch of brightness and shimmering sustain.
 

yammyfan

Senior Member
I'm thinking the new K Sweets. They'll have the warmth of your current Ks, but will definitely be a step or two in the direction of the 2002s as far as just a touch of brightness and shimmering sustain.

Great suggestion.

I introduced the 17" K Sweet Crash to my setup (16 and 18" Dark Thin, like the OP) and it is just that - complex like the regular Ks but with an extra hint of sweetness and shimmer. My favourite crash cymbal, ever.

I plan to purchase the entire K Sweet line over time. The 19" crash is next.

Great overview of them if you haven't seen this already: https://youtu.be/QRYVI3-n-aI
 

BertTheDrummer

Gold Member
Great suggestion.

I introduced the 17" K Sweet Crash to my setup (16 and 18" Dark Thin, like the OP) and it is just that - complex like the regular Ks but with an extra hint of sweetness and shimmer. My favourite crash cymbal, ever.

I plan to purchase the entire K Sweet line over time. The 19" crash is next.

Great overview of them if you haven't seen this already: https://youtu.be/QRYVI3-n-aI

The crashes might be close from what I'm hearing in clips and the hi hats are a maybe. I don't think the rides are quite what I'm looking for. I'll think about it though.

I'm thinking I might need to find a day to make the couple hour drive over to Lone Star Percussion and hang out in their warehouse trying stuff.

Edit: I wanted to post an update but I didn't really want to bump the thread.

After trying a ton of cymbals, I think I figured out what I wanted was something similar the attack/decay characteristics I was getting from my Paiste 2002s but with a darker and possibly more complex sound. After trying a bunch of various cymbals I think the Dream Bliss seem to have at least some of what I was looking for. So, I think I'm going to start looking at gathering in some of those for now and see how it goes.

The Paiste Twenty/Masters were intriguing as well, but they are a bit too expensive to experiment with for me.
 
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EricT43

Senior Member
I'm thinking the new K Sweets. They'll have the warmth of your current Ks, but will definitely be a step or two in the direction of the 2002s as far as just a touch of brightness and shimmering sustain.

I was going to suggest this as well. The K Sweet crashes have a high-end shimmer that remind me of 2002's, but to a lesser degree.

Edit: I don't think the K Sweet Ride is anything like the 2002 rides. Honestly, I can't think of a Zildjian cymbal that is like that, except maybe A Custom. So if you're looking for something between a K Ride and a 2002 Ride, maybe the A Medium would be worth looking at, it's brighter than the K and is a great cymbal.
 
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