"Cymbal Craftsman" Paul Francis

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why and where are you getting such thing Cmd?

Shame. This thread went "off the tracks" awhile back should be-a positive thread- Should be deleted and Started over
Or Re-Started elsewhere
 

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Cmdr. Ross

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why and where are you getting such thing Cmd?

Shame. This thread went "off the tracks" awhile back should be-a positive thread- Should be - my 2c- deleted and Started over
Or Re-Started elsewhere
about Paul/Zildjian/ his current work/ etc.
No way no how should it have went negative :)
I felt charging what he does eliminates the "bar-bashers" that constitute the majority of drummers on here (and pretty much everywhere else).
That's all.

You're 100% right in how this went bad & if the Mods feel they should lock this, then so be it. I gave my $.02 and was put to the coals.
Oh well.
People kept posting answers to my reply with pictures & .gif's that don't make sense to me. So I'll dip on out of this thread. As of right now, I just don't care anymore.
 
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bar-bashers are people too ; ) that may strive and achieve
lol aspire..

I might think he's not "charging".. rather it's what it takes -what he puts into it- He might not be- padding- a price at all..
You know - might be- the "big" (or bigger) companies have 'economies of scale' where materials and manpower cost them less ...+/-
"Soon as gets three more employees and bigger facilities the price might come down".
 
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jaymandude

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I felt charging what he does eliminates the "bar-bashers" that constitute the majority of drummers on here (and pretty much everywhere else).
That's all.

You're 100% right in how this went bad & if the Mods feel they should lock this, then so be it. I gave my $.02 and was put to the coals.
Oh well.
People kept posting answers to my reply with pictures & .gif's that don't make sense to me. So I'll dip on out of this thread. As of right now, I just don't care anymore.
If that’s what you meant to say you should have said that. Instead of the condescending uninformed nonsense ( avoiding profanity with that word instead of my usual ) that you actually wrote.

Signed,
Your friendly neighborhood country western and blues bar basher. Seriously.
 

Cmdr. Ross

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If that’s what you meant to say you should have said that. Instead of the condescending uninformed nonsense ( avoiding profanity with that word instead of my usual ) that you actually wrote.

Signed,
Your friendly neighborhood country western and blues bar basher. Seriously.
Here's what I actually wrote:

"Considering he has an $1,100 ride, I don't doubt it.
While I'm sure he's a great guy in many ways, when you come across that level of ego they become someone you'll never buy from. And that's really bad for business.
I guess there's a lot of validity in "Don't meet your heroes". :("

I'm not seeing where I was using "condescending, uninformed nonsense" here. Other people (like the one I quoted) were worse towards Paul than I was, yet I'm targeted?
Really?

Some love him and that's great. It's my opinion that those who charge what he does is wrong for the "regular guys" like me.
That's all.
I stand by what I said and that's that. If it means I'm now the Drummerworld bad guy, then so be it. I said it before and I'll say it again: I just don't care anymore.
 

jda

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in particular thread went off twisted before you entered Cmd!
 
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jda

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cymbal craftsman cymbals:
14 HH- $618
15 HH - $651
18- $423
19- $518
20- $559
21- $621
22- $621
26 - $1100 limited quantity

Various Ludwig single throw snare drums- $897
Crav and Joyful Noise - $1200 unlimited
old Ks- unlimited/ or next offer..
Remo heads- $14
Vic Firth sticks - $10
90s Pearl steel export 8L snare drum- priceless/free or pick up my bar tab

there that should settle it ; )
 
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jaymandude

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Here's what I actually wrote:

"Considering he has an $1,100 ride, I don't doubt it.
While I'm sure he's a great guy in many ways, when you come across that level of ego they become someone you'll never buy from. And that's really bad for business.
I guess there's a lot of validity in "Don't meet your heroes". :("

I'm not seeing where I was using "condescending, uninformed nonsense" here. Other people (like the one I quoted) were worse towards Paul than I was, yet I'm targeted?
Really?

Some love him and that's great. It's my opinion that those who charge what he does is wrong for the "regular guys" like me.
That's all.
I stand by what I said and that's that. If it means I'm now the Drummerworld bad guy, then so be it. I said it before and I'll say it again: I just don't care anymore.
I know what you wrote. And maybe you fail to see how it rubbed people the wrong way.

For me, it the part about “ that level of ego”. It’s like … what ? He’s pricing custom made cymbals at the same price as EVERY CUSTOM CYMBAL MAKER IN THE WORLD, practically the same as a new mass production machine hammered K Con. And he’s got an inflated ego based on that ? Really ? REALLY ? You want to say that about Matt Bettis, or Justin Ottovanio, or the guy in Australia, or the Yamamoto dude in Japan. Because by your account they all have inflated egos and are charging WAAAAAAY to much for a hand made instrument. And then you wanna double down on that too ? It’s “ wrong “ ?

I guess, in the end , I just don’t understand where that kind of thinking comes from.

Ok man. You take care. Happy drumming.
 
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